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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/05/2015 :  7:22:42 PM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello all, I posted my original post about my rifle on the new member forum and I think I should have posted my question here instead.

I'm looking to get some information on a Underwood serial numbered Carbine I just acquired with Winchester markings. Hopefully there are some M1 experts here that can tell me exactly what I have.

I'm a little confused on the markings on the bevel which I will explain. One thing I have noticed on my rifle is that the barrel, and stock have Winchester markings, but it has a Underwood serial number of 2491xxx under the sight which I might add is not lined out. On the bevel you will notice the markings W W A. I'm not sure what this means.

Also on the butt of the rifle above the oiler slot, there appears to be a faint USMC tactical marking of a half circle with the numbers 60 painted in white paint. I did some research on this and found a sight that describes the tatcial markings the Marines used in WW2. You must be logged in to see this link.

Please take a look at my photos and tell me what you think.

Thank you

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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/05/2015 :  7:24:37 PM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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rhineriver1
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Switzerland
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  04:34:05 AM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
oldazzmarine. I would say that's a stock with korean markings.
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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  09:30:13 AM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Rhine, thank you for your feed back I appreciate it. I'm curious to know what your opinion is based on?
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Tuna
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  09:43:45 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What you have is a receiver made by Universal Winding for Underwood as a sub-contractor for Underwood. When the receiver was finished it was never used by Underwood as their contract to make carbines had expired in April 1944. Underwood had many such receivers finished and unfinished so the government Carbine Committee arraigned to have them bought by Winchester to use in their production as Winchester and Inland were the only two companies left making carbines. The W on the bevel was for Universal Winding and the WA was added by Winchester when they made the carbine this receiver was used on. It is classified as a Winchester carbine not an Underwood. Post war your carbine went through a rebuild. The rear sight, safety and barrel band were changed at that time. The stock has what appears to be white paint on it near the back of the stock. Quite often paint just like this is found on stocks that had been on carbine that were used by the South Korean Army. Look on the bottom of the barrel below the front sight area. See if there is what could look like a scratch there. If so it is an import stamp which could mean your carbine came back from Korea.
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Jackp
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  09:55:46 AM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's an example of South Korean stock markings.


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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  10:12:38 AM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the information Mr. Tuna. You have told me a lot more info on this rifle than what I came in with. It's nice to know that I have a Winchester but it maybe hard to explain that to someone when they look at the Underwood serial number. I did take a look underneath the barrel and I can see something that does look like a scratch. It is so faint even with a magnifying glass I can not make it out. Any idea what this is? Also I'll ask the million dollar question here. What would you value this rifle? With the W A W markings on the bevel does this make it more rare?
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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  10:28:24 AM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jack, Thanks for the photo. So do these markings have any effect on the value of the rifle?
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 02/06/2015 :  10:47:14 AM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
An import mark will have a greater negative effect on the value than the Korean stock. Collectors tend to pay less for import marked carbines. Maybe the rarity of the receiver markings might make up for the import mark, it's hard to say.


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Tuna
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Posted - 02/07/2015 :  09:32:00 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The marking on the bottom of the barrel could be one of several different importers. Because they were so faint, ATF made the last importer increase the size of their stampings and as a result the Blue Sky markings came into use. Can't miss one of those. But your carbine for the most part appears to be mostly Winchester parts including the stock. While the AW stamping does add to the value it is offset a bit by being and import. So about the $800 mark for a value on it and maybe more if a person wanted it bad enough.
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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/08/2015 :  09:24:29 AM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all of the information. I think I'll keep it for a while and add it to my collection. I haven't shot it yet but soon. I also have a 43 Saginaw waiting for pick up that I'm anxious to find more about so I may be back asking more questions.
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jimb16
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USA
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Posted - 02/08/2015 :  12:06:53 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would suspect the marking is an Arlington Ordnance marking if it is that light....

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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oldazzmarine
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Posted - 02/10/2015 :  09:41:07 AM  Show Profile Send oldazzmarine a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jim, Thank you for the information. I appreciate that.
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