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jlwilliams
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USA
78 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2013 :  09:32:37 AM  Show Profile Send jlwilliams a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by WrathChild

my carbine WRECKS ar-15s & ak's out to 150 yds, past that i whip out the Enfield in .303
only "modern" weapon system i'd consider to be vastly superior to WWII tech is the M-14, it's just ridiculously good.



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Ohio Don
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Posted - 01/18/2014 :  01:44:10 AM  Show Profile Send Ohio Don a Private Message  Reply with Quote
1911/1911A1, M1 Carbine, M1 Garand, Mosin Nagant 91/30 and M44. The Garand and the 91/30 when you want to reach out and touch someone. The M44 when you want to punch holes in things at closer range. The Carbine and 1911s when you want to punch holes in people close in. And yes, I have at least one of all of them.
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jimb16
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USA
3118 Posts

Posted - 01/18/2014 :  9:56:23 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have all but the M44. I got rid of mine because it kept lighting the landscape on fire!. Instead, I keep an 03A3.

OGCA Lifer, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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Tuna
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Posted - 01/18/2014 :  11:26:39 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So Jim when you got rid of it, did you have a Fire Sale? (I couldn't resist)
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rhineriver1
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Switzerland
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  04:11:17 AM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don't forget the Suomi KP31. It has a nice fire rate and 50 round box magazines.
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jimb16
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USA
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Posted - 01/19/2014 :  10:15:33 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So Jim when you got rid of it, did you have a Fire Sale? (I couldn't resist)

No. but they did call me a flaming idiot!

OGCA Lifer, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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pacificpt
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USA
14 Posts

Posted - 05/29/2015 :  12:25:18 AM  Show Profile Send pacificpt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Several months ago we were doing qualification and training with our issued AR-15's. Just for fun I took my Inland and ran through the drills using it. At first a number of the non gun types were chuckling about me using my 71 year old carbine against the AR's. After out shooting all but 1 person they were not laughing. After letting anyone who wanted to run some rounds through it they found out why I love my carbine. Inside of 200 yards I don't think you are giving away anything, especially with good soft point ammunition. Was able to do the same with my M1-A Scout Squad, but that is not WW II vintage.

Wishing I had picked up a M1 Carbine years ago! Now I am trying to catch up.
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Doc TH
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USA
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Posted - 06/08/2015 :  9:19:27 PM  Show Profile Send Doc TH a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't believe any of the bolt actions would be a good choice, except if set up as a sniping rifle. I love the Garand, but the 8 round magazine and inability to top off the mag would be serious drawbacks. The .50 cal Browning is still on active service of course. The Bren will still hold its own, as would the Colt 1911 or the Browning Hi Power. I would choose the M1 (or M2) carbine over the grease gun or Thompson because of lighter weight and greater range than the M3 grease gun or Thompson, and its lighter ammo. Carbine also has greater useful range and more potent cartridge than the German MP40 or the PPSH, and I believe is still a viable combat weapon today for close encounters. As a true battle rifle, the Sturmgewehr was probably the best and is certainly competitive with any nation's current issue rifle.
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Captain O
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USA
346 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2016 :  01:06:06 AM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
M1911A1 (5 magazines of ammunition) and an M2 Carbine (10 30-round magazines).

Shoot, move, communicate!

"Faster than a speeding insult, more powerful than an ulterior motive, able to leap to conclusions in a single bound, its... Captain Obvious"!

"Living well is the best revenge". - George Herbert

"The Administration of Justice should be tempered by mercy, but mercy should never interfere with the true Administration of Justice". - Captain Obvious

"Fast is fine, but accuracy is final". - Wyatt Earp

"Spelling and grammar count". - Captain Obvious
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Captain O
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USA
346 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2016 :  8:34:20 PM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When it comes to submachineguns, I had always favored the M3A1. While the Thompson M1921 is rather nice, the M3A1 had a slower cyclic rate and tended to stay on target when popping off 3 -5 round bursts. Believe it or not the H&R Reising was an excellent submachine gun. The only drawback was that it needed to be kept immaculately clean. If it became anything more than moderately dirty, it would begin to misfeed and jam.

The Reising served well with Police/Sheriff's Departments and Security at Nuclear Plants. I have always fancied having a Reising.

"Faster than a speeding insult, more powerful than an ulterior motive, able to leap to conclusions in a single bound, its... Captain Obvious"!

"Living well is the best revenge". - George Herbert

"The Administration of Justice should be tempered by mercy, but mercy should never interfere with the true Administration of Justice". - Captain Obvious

"Fast is fine, but accuracy is final". - Wyatt Earp

"Spelling and grammar count". - Captain Obvious
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tjt
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Posted - 03/27/2016 :  03:37:22 AM  Show Profile Send tjt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I would not feel under-gunned with my M1 rifle, 03-A3, or 1911A1.
Jon
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Captain O
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USA
346 Posts

Posted - 03/27/2016 :  6:45:59 PM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pacificpt

Several months ago we were doing qualification and training with our issued AR-15's. Just for fun I took my Inland and ran through the drills using it. At first a number of the non gun types were chuckling about me using my 71 year old carbine against the AR's. After out shooting all but 1 person they were not laughing. After letting anyone who wanted to run some rounds through it they found out why I love my carbine. Inside of 200 yards I don't think you are giving away anything, especially with good soft point ammunition. Was able to do the same with my M1-A Scout Squad, but that is not WW II vintage.



This has been my contention since the outset. Marksmanship is the name of the game. The people that believe the 5.56 x 45 is the "be all, end all" battle cartridge are, from what I have come to understand, are sadly mistaken. The people that need the extra "everything" are short in shooting ability. This, in essence, is a case of substituting cartridge power for marksmanship.

If you can't shoot well, throw a lot of lead downrange! Yep, that will work... not!

How utterly reprehensible, and irresponsible! Wait... this is the Government we're discussing.

Never mind.

"Faster than a speeding insult, more powerful than an ulterior motive, able to leap to conclusions in a single bound, its... Captain Obvious"!

"Living well is the best revenge". - George Herbert

"The Administration of Justice should be tempered by mercy, but mercy should never interfere with the true Administration of Justice". - Captain Obvious

"Fast is fine, but accuracy is final". - Wyatt Earp

"Spelling and grammar count". - Captain Obvious
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MrJitters
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USA
1923 Posts

Posted - 03/28/2016 :  11:18:56 AM  Show Profile Send MrJitters a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Captain O

When it comes to submachineguns, I had always favored the M3A1. While the Thompson M1921 is rather nice, the M3A1 had a slower cyclic rate and tended to stay on target when popping off 3 -5 round bursts. Believe it or not the H&R Reising was an excellent submachine gun. The only drawback was that it needed to be kept immaculately clean. If it became anything more than moderately dirty, it would begin to misfeed and jam.

The Reising served well with Police/Sheriff's Departments and Security at Nuclear Plants. I have always fancied having a Reising.



I as well. My son told me yesterday a Reising M60 is currently for sale on GB. High bid is around 2 grand. Too rich for me right now. LOL

Resist Restore Rebuild
Vermont Republic
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Captain O
Advanced Member



USA
346 Posts

Posted - 03/29/2016 :  5:02:29 PM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll take an M1 Garand for "distance work" an M2 Carbine for "urban combat" and a 1911 A1 for personal fighting.

They can keep the M16-A4.

"Faster than a speeding insult, more powerful than an ulterior motive, able to leap to conclusions in a single bound, its... Captain Obvious"!

"Living well is the best revenge". - George Herbert

"The Administration of Justice should be tempered by mercy, but mercy should never interfere with the true Administration of Justice". - Captain Obvious

"Fast is fine, but accuracy is final". - Wyatt Earp

"Spelling and grammar count". - Captain Obvious
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striker1943
Starting Member



USA
4 Posts

Posted - 06/03/2016 :  10:51:56 PM  Show Profile Send striker1943 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This one is hard...

Long Range: M1 for sure if not M1D (but that was not WW2)

Short Range (Urban): M1 or M2 Carbine (M2 is a long shot though. Shooting my uncle's it seems to be a little jumpy when shooting in full, I am not sure if I could handle that in a combat situation.) M50 Reising would be on my list for short range too. I love how that thing shoots.

Personal: M1911 A1 for sure

ZVB

"Lead Me, follow me, or get the hell out of my way." -Gen. George S. Patton

"Terrorist attacks can shake the foundations of our biggest buildings, but they cannot touch the foundation of America. "

-George W. Bush
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Kilibreaux
Junior Member



USA
51 Posts

Posted - 07/22/2016 :  04:27:33 AM  Show Profile Send Kilibreaux a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The .30 Carbine round, and .45 ACP round are both still viable today...The Thompson SMG was bad news then, and bad news now! The .30 Carbine, loaded with soft point ammo is SUPER bad news in a platform much lighter and sleeker than the AR/AK platforms to popular today.
The M1 Garand could spit out 8 shot very quickly...and be re-charged pretty fast as well. I doubt I'd call it non-competitive in today's world.
The M1911 is clearly STILL WITH US!

On the topic of foreign made guns, the STG-44 is still with us in its original variant as well as the AK-47/Akm variant that the Russians swear they never copied despite all the amazing similarities!
The PPsh is also still a very capable weapons...high firepower at close range.

The only issue with all the pistol calibers is range/energy when compared to the 5.56x45, or the 7.62x39. These rounds are going to hit harder up close and harder still at distance.

The main issue is that anyone choosing to employ a WWII sub-caliber weapon knows how to maximize it for best effectiveness.

The weapon CLOSEST to "modern" would be the M1 Carbine in .30 Carbine...it has the lightness, shortness, compactness, and reasonably effective cartridge, though not quite on par with the bottleneck alternatives.
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Captain O
Advanced Member



USA
346 Posts

Posted - 08/05/2016 :  3:11:54 PM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They were right. .30 is the proper caliber for fighting. Anything smaller has to be driven at higher velocities. The .30 Carbine was (and still is) excellent at ranges up to 200 yards.

Marksmanship counts.

"Faster than a speeding insult, more powerful than an ulterior motive, able to leap to conclusions in a single bound, its... Captain Obvious"!

"Living well is the best revenge". - George Herbert

"The Administration of Justice should be tempered by mercy, but mercy should never interfere with the true Administration of Justice". - Captain Obvious

"Fast is fine, but accuracy is final". - Wyatt Earp

"Spelling and grammar count". - Captain Obvious
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coyote1966
Junior Member



USA
51 Posts

Posted - 08/20/2016 :  10:26:24 AM  Show Profile Send coyote1966 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
coyote1966 hey capt-o feel sad to say but true 300 yards is not to far for yours or mine carbines.I have been shooting steel torso targets same as U.S. military use 8 of ten rounds effective. I love carbines so maybe a little biased about them M1 Garands are for reaching out for further still will use my 1911s .

james harris
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