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Satanta
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Posted - 02/21/2018 :  8:54:17 PM  Show Profile Send Satanta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most have followed me with the frustrations concerning the learning curve of reloads. It's been quite the challenge.
Now that I've got things a little dialed in per load, seating depth needed, etc.
I am having great MOA patterns. The Inland likes a 12.5 charge. My Quality Hardware likes 12.3 Both at 50yrds.
I'm feeling the need big time for a chrono.
Looking for suggestions without killing the pocket book.
I have many tripods, and I don't own a smart phone. I live in AZ so lighting is not a problem. No need for the extra package.
Just need a reading I can go by and adjust too.
Much like a bathroom scale. You may not like what the doc office scale says. But you still stick with yours because you use it all the time.
I'm looking hard at the Caldwell Ballistic Precision chrono.
$88 free shipping, and as I said, I'm not looking for the extra.
I just want a read out for overall. I see no reason to get it down to a 50 reading. I want to know if it's 1,500 1,600 1,900 or the scary end.
I'm dealing with seating bullets to 1.620, so I just want to be sure where I'm at per pressure or bullet speed. The comfort of increasing or decreasing the playground area.
There a a lot of you that reload. Open for suggestions on a brand and model in the $100 range.
Many thanks again to all for the help in the past.

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daboone
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USA
72 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2018 :  06:55:11 AM  Show Profile Send daboone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have an old Crony but rarely use it. For M1 Carbine, actually everything but a few bolt guns I found time spent doing load work ups more fun and more important to performance with my collection of milsurps. But then trigger time teaches me more than minor tweaking a load for velocity. I set up trigger time for 50, 100, and 200 yards when using all new load workup. Keeping notes on each gun and it's loads is fundamental to success. Since Clinton and the powder shortages started it's been educational being forced to use replacement powders. It also improved my abilities in handloading and shooting.
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americanboy
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USA
341 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2018 :  09:49:05 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My neighbor and I share one of those models. He purchased the last one, because he keeps shooting them. They are considered practically disposable around my place. It's not something you may use all the time. Once you develop and document your loads, it just sits on the shelf.
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jimb16
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USA
3116 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2018 :  6:23:05 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I too have a Chrony. I've had it for years and it works just fine. Just make sure the batteries are good or they will give you some screwy readings.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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Satanta
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USA
173 Posts

Posted - 02/22/2018 :  7:27:00 PM  Show Profile Send Satanta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info guys. I just now ordered the one spoke of. I agree there will be a lot of shelf time, but being new at this and trying different different powders, seating depth, etc. I see it as a good shelf investment and a must overall. Happy to dust off and change the battery in the long run. Once I get happy with the carbine. I will move on to my .380 next.
I'm real happy with my reloads now compared to starting. But would sure like to know how fast I'm pushing things.
No need to beat things up, but still want an overall with hope of building one round that all 3 of my carbines will like. Ha - I know, good luck?
I hear! not proven to me yet. MOA's can be spot on with one charge. Then spread with the next higher charge, and come back again with another bump? Open ears for that one.
Since I have found myself having to seat my bullets deeper than the charts. I just feel the need to see what is going on for the safety fact if nothing else.
Thanks again to all.
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daboone
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USA
72 Posts

Posted - 02/23/2018 :  7:58:19 PM  Show Profile Send daboone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
" Then spread with the next higher charge, and come back again with another bump?"

Yep that's the way load work ups work, sometime up a few grains sometimes down. Keeping notes is key. I've never pushed to the max loads I've found in any of my 7 manuals. My war babys have been responsible for many boar and Axis deer. Never needed better accuracy than that. Now days I'm not doing much hunting so I backed off a few grains to save the ware and tare on my Rockola and Inland. Beer can accuracy is all that's required while my grandsons are learning the ropes.
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Satanta
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USA
173 Posts

Posted - 02/23/2018 :  8:24:33 PM  Show Profile Send Satanta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks daboone, I'm for sure trying to stay away from max loads. No need for it right now. But when your pushing the bullet deeper, it of course changes things per any chart I have, which is not seven. I have only three right now. I have some Accurate No 9 coming that is supposed to work well with my 115 grain bayou bullets. Slower burning and takes a lighter load to do the job. I like that idea because I am not ready for a compression charge till I get bigger wings.
I sent you a personal message about a week ago from an old post. Check and see.
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daboone
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USA
72 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2018 :  09:35:21 AM  Show Profile Send daboone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Opps! Your PM finally answered. Thanks for the heads up.
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jimb16
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USA
3116 Posts

Posted - 02/26/2018 :  7:26:02 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is barrel harmonics that cause the good/poor accuracy changes. Perfectly normal...Once you find the charge difference between two sweet spots, you can use that to estimate what charge will yield the next one. Just don't go over the recommended max. And just a note on powders, sometimes a slower burning powder will not work as well. The pressure curve can get too low for proper functioning of the action. Carbines need a fairly fast powder to work properly.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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Satanta
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USA
173 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2018 :  7:25:40 PM  Show Profile Send Satanta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good info jimb16, thanks. Just got my crony today, but to sick to really care. Soon enough I hope too get out there and see what I'm pushing with my different loads that I have been using. Staying under max of course, but with my unusual deeper seating depth. I feel the need to see how fast these are flying.
Kinda hate to hear the note on powders, but still think all will work out. Been using IMR 4227. My first and only powder. Just got, and yet to try. Accurate No 9 . Which was the powder recommended per my Lee chart for 115 grain lead bullets with a 1.635 OAL seating depth. I have to go as far as 1.620 with my bullets. Rather sloppy in the mag, but still feeds nicely.
No 9 is slower burning. But as recommended. So once I get well again. I shall pursue.
Thanks again to all.
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