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Weebestie
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  08:54:43 AM  Show Profile Send Weebestie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, just picked up my first carbine. I have wanted one for years. The reciever is a saginaw 3558917. It seems to be in great condition. Very very few scratches/dings in the metal, no rust. I would say it probably never saw combat. The barrel is stamped blue sky Arlington, va. I hear that is bad but it shoots stright. It had a few failures to fire sp i offered a spring kit and some new mags.


The main problem i am having is the barrel band slides forward and the hand guard comes off. From what i can tell the spring keeper thing is either mounted too far forward, or it had been flattened out. There are no markings on the stock. I am not sure if it's original. It looks the part as it is a bit beat up and the correct wood. I guess i could plug the spring hole and drill another, but before that i would like to hear from you guys. I have pictures of the problem, but i can not figure out how to post them here. I would gladly e mail them or something.

The barrel band spring seems to be about half an inch forward from the cut out in the wood if that makes sense.

Tom P

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Weebestie
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  09:00:44 AM  Show Profile Send Weebestie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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americanboy
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  11:03:19 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The stock or hand-guard could be a commercial copy. Commercial stocks can have keepers or keeper installations that vary and some quite a bit. So much that the keeper-nose will not line-up with the notch. Place your guard on the stock without installing the band and shove the rear of the guard into the receiver ledge. See how the tip of the guard lines-up with the stop-ledge in the stock. The tip of the guard should line-up with the ledge milled into the stock...or pretty close. If that looks okay, slide the band on without reference to where the keeper-nose is and see if it properly holds the guard in place. If it does and the keeper-nose won't engage the notch in the band, moving the keeper back may be your only solution, but you can try one more thing. If you have (or have access to) another guard that is a bit longer, that may be enough to set the band farther out on the nose of the stock and engage the keeper. I've had this issue B4 on commercial guns and have managed to find a slightly longer hand-guard that brings the keeper-nose in line with the band-notch. Hunting a shorter keeper that works is likely not possible. You may be better off reinstalling the keeper like you said, if you don't think a longer hand-guard will help. Been-there-and-done-that.

I need to add. If the hand-guard is too long and the nose hangs over the ledge in the stock, you can shorten that to match the ledge.


Edited by - americanboy on 01/20/2018 4:30:18 PM
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  11:03:37 AM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Tom and welcome to the carbine forum from New Mexico!

Still can't access your pics. The tip of the barrel band spring should snap into the "D" shaped hole in the barrel band when tight against the shoulder of the forend and hand guard. Also, be sure the screw is tightened down. Maybe the spring is weak. It would be very unusual for you to need to drill another hole.

JackP
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americanboy
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  12:40:04 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I could not open the OP's pictures either Jack. Seeing the picture would help. I have had a Universal that would not reach the band-notch and all I did was to file the back (flat) side of the spring-nose and it popped right into place. I currently have an Iver Johnson on which the spring is too long or in the wrong position for the hand-guard it had on it. I simply found a spare Inland guard which was a bit longer and stuck it on and was able to get the spring-nose to drop in the band-notch. The bottom of the band does not butt up against the ledge in the stock, but it works. I see lots of commercial carbines on which the spring dosen't match the band-notch. Just poor quality control.
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HB of CJ
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  12:40:29 PM  Show Profile Send HB of CJ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also non able to access face book and picture(s). Sorry. Try another front band spring. This is the spring that fits through the hole. If the butt stock, fore end wood, stock band and band spring are all USGI they should all snap together.

They should all fit. But they might not fit exactly correct. Another tuning subject. All of this if fun and easy. Lots of retailers sell the USGI parts. Your problem to you right now sounds serious but in reality is fun and easy to fix. Cheap too. :)

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Edited by - HB of CJ on 01/20/2018 12:46:15 PM
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Weebestie
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  4:19:54 PM  Show Profile Send Weebestie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree it's an easy fix, really i would like a ww2 stock. How do i post a picture on here?

Tom P
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 01/20/2018 :  5:10:50 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Download your pictures to a free image hosting web site such as Imgur.com and post the link here. Then we can go to that web site and look at your pictures.

Or you can post the image directly as described in this link:

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except I wouldn't use Photobucket as it's no longer free.

JackP
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