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JBipes
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Posted - 12/14/2015 :  2:55:18 PM  Show Profile Send JBipes a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Recently picked up my dad's old Carbine. Research into it dates it to March 1944, made by IBM. Looks and shoots great. Nearly all original parts except sling/oiler. Love this classic! More info to follow

Edited by - JBipes on 12/15/2015 9:51:39 PM

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Jackp
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Posted - 12/14/2015 :  3:44:07 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi and welcome to the Carbine forum from New Mexico! How long did you dad have it? Can't wait to see some pics.

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JBipes
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Posted - 12/14/2015 :  3:49:40 PM  Show Profile Send JBipes a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dad had it nearly 60 years, believe shortly after leaving USMC in 54. He was sharpshooter with one and also with a Garand. Pics and info will be added when I get home.


Edited by - JBipes on 12/15/2015 9:46:44 PM
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JBipes
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USA
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Posted - 12/14/2015 :  7:49:35 PM  Show Profile Send JBipes a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My carbine is s/n 3957XXX which dates it to March of 1944. Most all parts marked with the IBM 'B'. Barrel and receiver marked "I.B.M. CORP.". Stock is by Jamestown Lounge Co "JL-B" on left inside the butt indent. There is a partial double-struck cartouche (crossed cannon) on the right side of the buttstock. Only non-original parts seem to be the rear sight [postwar I.R.CO.], upper handguard [Rockola] and the sear [type 1 rather than type 2]. In process of getting a period correct sling and oiler.

Photos not worth keeping here if photobucket wants $400 a year to share them. Y'all seen 'er anyway.

Edited by - JBipes on 09/27/2017 11:26:39 PM
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Jackp
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Posted - 12/14/2015 :  10:07:26 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can't access your photos on Facebook. Copy them to Photobucket or IMGUR and post the link in the "IBM' section. Or you can get instructions on how to insert images on the forum in the "Off Topic" section.


JackP

Edited by - Jackp on 12/14/2015 10:10:22 PM
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JBipes
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Posted - 12/15/2015 :  10:27:22 PM  Show Profile Send JBipes a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks Jackp -- post has been edited to reflect your suggestion

quote:
Originally posted by Jackp

I can't access your photos on Facebook. Copy them to Photobucket or IMGUR and post the link in the "IBM' section. Or you can get instructions on how to insert images on the forum in the "Off Topic" section.



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Jackp
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Posted - 12/15/2015 :  11:58:35 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nice pictures. Except for the Type 3 rear sight, everything else I see fits for a later production I.B.M. carbine. Maybe the sight was replaced during a field upgrade since it still has it's Type 2 barrel band and push safety. By 1954 I would have expected these parts to have been replaced as well if it had been sent to a U.S. arsenal. Metal finish looks original, too. Interesting pattern around the oiler slot. Is that a wood patch repair or just a stain?

JackP

Edited by - Jackp on 12/16/2015 08:42:53 AM
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JBipes
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  11:12:36 AM  Show Profile Send JBipes a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It looks like a wood patch repair, the grain is way different and is only 1" x 3/4" x 1/8". Don't know anything about why the patch done or when, but the finish on it seems to match the rest of the stock. Since there are no rebuild markings on the stock's left side or anywhere else for that matter is it possible it was never sent to a US arsenal for overhaul? If it did get overhauled it had to be overseas, no? The barrel proof 'P' is about 4.5" behind the 'IBM CORP' stamp. The handguard is an obvious mismatch, with different color and being RMC; it is shallow at the rear but deep at the front -- is this unusual? Along with the 'AOB' mark, in back of slide well is 'CC'. Any info on why that's there?
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Jackp
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  12:58:21 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree, it was probably overhauled overseas. It's a good thing the hand guard groove is deeper at the front. Some shallow groove hand guards obscure the lower part of the front sight picture, but usually they're pretty even. I don't know about the "CC" in the slide well. War Baby notes "FF" and "GG". Might be an inspector's mark. Maybe someone else will chime in. It would be good to move this discussion to the "I.B.M." section of the forum. You might get more activity there. Post some pictures of the hand guard and slide markings.

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always learning
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USA
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  4:42:15 PM  Show Profile Send always learning a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The rear sight could be original since IBM used a very few adjustable rear sights, including some I.R.CO. with drawing number and milled and adjustable H in shield rear sights. I don't know if it's possible to take one or two pictures of the rear sight from the top and post them. BTW, you'll need to adjust the sight all of the way left. Doing so will reveal what if any stake marks from an adjustable or index slashes from a flip sight. It's still a very nice IBM carbine with honest wear.

Edited by - always learning on 12/16/2015 4:48:00 PM
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  5:27:41 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If it had a Type 2 (milled) rear sight with the "H" in shield I would go along but the Type 3 didn't come along until after the I.B.M. contract was completed (Spring of 1944). I don't think the Type 3 rear sight came along until the fall of 1944. It doesn't show up on Inland carbine barrels dated earlier than 10-44.

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jimb16
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USA
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  7:41:10 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
At one point walnut for stocks was hard to get and the factories would use less than perfect wood. If a stock had a bad spot like a broken out knot, they would cut out the bad spot and glue in a good piece of wood before cutting the stock. Not an unusual repair and normally done at the factory.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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Tuna
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  8:42:19 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Type 3 rear sights were used at the same time as the type 2 sights.
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JBipes
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USA
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  9:00:54 PM  Show Profile Send JBipes a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Moving this to IBM and adding suggested pics.
Thanks for the help to all!!!
SEMPER FI! from a 20 yr Navy Vet.

Edited by - JBipes on 12/16/2015 9:02:11 PM
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always learning
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USA
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Posted - 12/16/2015 :  9:45:29 PM  Show Profile Send always learning a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jackp

If it had a Type 2 (milled) rear sight with the "H" in shield I would go along but the Type 3 didn't come along until after the I.B.M. contract was completed (Spring of 1944). I don't think the Type 3 rear sight came along until the fall of 1944. It doesn't show up on Inland carbine barrels dated earlier than 10-44.



Inland carbines with original stamped adjustable sights started showing up in the 5.054xxx range plus or minus some. There was and odd lot of flip, milled and stamped rear sight being used during the early part of the 5 million range. Expect the first Inland carbines with stamped adjustable sights to have barrel dates of 3-44 and 4-44.
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