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Jackp
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Posted - 10/27/2015 :  8:29:33 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
After WWII and prior to the Korean war, it is said that the U.S. Army Ordinance Department ordered M1 carbines returning from theater to be sent to various U.S. arsenals to be overhauled per TM9-1276 (dated Jan. 1947).

In reviewing this manual I found no instruction telling the armorer to replace a push safety with a flip safety or to replace an "M" marked M1 mag catch with an "M" marked M2 style mag catch (except on M2 carbines).

Therefore I conclude that these particular parts were not considered "obsolete" like the flip rear sight or dogleg hammer which, among other parts, the armorer was instructed to replace.

Trusted M1 carbine experts, however, say these parts were replaced as well as they were considered obsolete. Is this incorrect or is it a matter of when the overhaul was performed that determined what was obsolete? Is there a later version of the referenced technical manual that might include these two parts as being obsolete?


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Tuna
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Posted - 10/27/2015 :  10:16:11 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jack it all depended on who what and where the overhaul was being done. SA was doing them in late 1945. Underwood and STD.PRO. got their contract about 1947 and did at least 400,000 carbines. BUT when a carbine went in to be updated it was done with what ever updated parts were on hand at the time. If the flip safety was out and new ones had not arrived the line kept moving and the carbine had to function. It was felt that the safety could be installed later at a lower unit level if need be. This would happen with any of the updated parts. When Korea happened all the Armories got into the rebuild game. But even in Korea some units didn't have updated carbines at all and still had them in original configuration.
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Jackp
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Posted - 10/27/2015 :  10:45:03 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Tuna. The reason I'm asking is that both my Inland and QHMC carbine still have their push safeties, although nearly everything else has been upgraded (the QHMC somehow escaped with an early Type 2 mag catch too). One carbine has an Augusta Arsenal mark the other has a Fabbrica d'Armi a Terni mark.

Do you know if there is a later issue of TM-1276 available other than 1947?

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Tuna
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Posted - 10/28/2015 :  10:56:10 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know the Army had FM-23-7 and the Air Force had 50-4 in January 1952. The TM for the Army at the time was TM 9-1276.
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swampmolly
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Posted - 10/28/2015 :  12:08:37 PM  Show Profile Send swampmolly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
HEY JACK,
I have a Dept, of the army TM9-1276 dated 1953. It is also called
Dept. of the Air force TO39A-5AD-2. ( Tech order )
it says on page 61 operation 14-c to assure that rotary safety is used on all carbines, operation 14D says to check and see if new type magazine catch is used , e says that new type plunger assy is also used on both safety and mag catch.
SM

Edited by - swampmolly on 10/28/2015 12:28:45 PM
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Jackp
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Posted - 10/28/2015 :  12:27:45 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Swampy. So if you're restoring to a pre-Korean War carbine rebuild then a push button safety might be found. If it's post-Korean War, then a rotary safety is called for. It all makes sense now. I'll try to get a copy of the later TM's.

JackP
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