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wargunfan
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Posted - 08/06/2015 :  5:54:02 PM  Show Profile Send wargunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This outfit has a number of high priced I.B.M, carbines for sale on the internet. Anyone know anything about this company?


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shadycon
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  06:26:32 AM  Show Profile Send shadycon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gander mt, Bass Pro Shops, Dicks Sporting goods, Are large sporting goods stores.

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shadycon
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  06:26:44 AM  Show Profile Send shadycon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gander mt, Bass Pro Shops, Dicks Sporting goods, Are large sporting goods stores.

M1's-R-FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!
TSMG's-R-MORE-FUN!!!!!
ENJOY LIFE & HAVE FUN!!
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wargunfan
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  09:38:03 AM  Show Profile Send wargunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the info.


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Tuna
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  10:56:55 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And like Cabella's they are way over priced on there guns. The others I don't think deal in used firearms.
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cali201
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  6:05:01 PM  Show Profile Send cali201 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
no doubt with all the "correct" carbines they have somewhere, someone is "producing" them ala Sam-T-Bob and others in the business. Maybe they come from Riverbank???
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Tuna
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  9:04:58 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think Sammy has been very busy since he turned to the dark side of the force.
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wargunfan
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Posted - 08/07/2015 :  9:14:57 PM  Show Profile Send wargunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most of the carbines from Gander Mountain don't seem quite correct. For example there is one with an "I" shaped oiler slot which was phased out in October 1943 but the barrel has no date which didn't happen until January 1944. If that carbine is original it shouldn't have an "I" shaped oiler slot. At least that's what the reference books say. They don't advertise them as original manufacture. That's a lot of money for a refurbished carbine.


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Tuna
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Posted - 08/08/2015 :  2:35:14 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What I have seen over the years is that the early I cut stocks in general were made from some real nice walnut. Nice grained and dark on it's own. As the time went by the stocks were from other parts of the tree and much lighter in color. Now today there are a lot of newly made stocks both type 1 and type 2 being offered for sale. Well the likes of the east coast Sammy and the left coast Riverbum have been using these to rip off people with their fake stamps as well as fake parts. I keep telling people to use their eyes to tell them things. A brand new stock is going to look brand new. A couple of minor dings and such is normal but a real stock is going to have a lot more even in great shape. The color will be wrong as it's too dark or too light for a type 1 stock. The stamps are going to look new which they are so put it all together and don't forget to look on the inside too and the last thing is to smell it. Does it smell like newer wood? Any of these things if you notice them should be ringing a bell loud and clear.
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wargunfan
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Posted - 08/09/2015 :  11:24:38 AM  Show Profile Send wargunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Tuna

What I have seen over the years is that the early I cut stocks in general were made from some real nice walnut. Nice grained and dark on it's own. As the time went by the stocks were from other parts of the tree and much lighter in color. Now today there are a lot of newly made stocks both type 1 and type 2 being offered for sale. Well the likes of the east coast Sammy and the left coast Riverbum have been using these to rip off people with their fake stamps as well as fake parts. I keep telling people to use their eyes to tell them things. A brand new stock is going to look brand new. A couple of minor dings and such is normal but a real stock is going to have a lot more even in great shape. The color will be wrong as it's too dark or too light for a type 1 stock. The stamps are going to look new which they are so put it all together and don't forget to look on the inside too and the last thing is to smell it. Does it smell like newer wood? Any of these things if you notice them should be ringing a bell loud and clear.



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wargunfan
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Posted - 08/09/2015 :  11:25:58 AM  Show Profile Send wargunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great info Tuna and good advice for all collectors both new and old like me.


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Jackp
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Posted - 08/09/2015 :  12:52:25 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are not too many places the vast majority of carbine enthusiasts can go to see "genuine" or "original" carbines to add to their knowledge of what is authentic. I still say one of the best places that everyone has access to is the CMP Auction web site. There you can look at very detailed images of carbines sold or for sale and see mostly authentic, unmessed with examples. Sure, they get messed with later and show up on GB. I have a CMP QHMC that ended up with a repro flip sight. But you know what? I figured that out because I knew what a real one looks like by seeing them on the CMP auction web site. I had never seen a real one in person. I haven't seen any posts yet that suggests that fake parts are showing up in the CMP auctions. If anyone knows otherwise, please provide examples.

JackP
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