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GuapoPogi
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USA
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Posted - 03/25/2015 :  4:40:18 PM  Show Profile Send GuapoPogi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So my copy of War Baby arrived today and as I remember from a copy I had 15 years ago it is overflowing with information. However it is no help in determining what is the right number for my trigger housing, slide and bolt. The Monthly Production Chart on page 458 did help me confirm that my carbine 1,532,413 was most likely manufactured in August 1943 which matched the Underwood barrel marked 08/43. Other than that I am still lost. I have managed to tear down most of the carbine and know most parts are both the wrong type and wrong manufacturer. I've got a type IV Q-TX or QT-X trigger housing, type V 7160091 slide, type III .U. bolt, type II PI rear sight, type III RIA front sight, type III barrel band and a blued oiler that is not even GI. As far as I can tell only the barrel and trigger are correct. The stock might be correct depending on when the oval cut low wood stocks were in production and the sling might be WWII. I'm still waiting on my bolt disassembly tool to arrive so I can take apart the bolt and see what I have for a firing pin and exctractor. I can't get the recoil plate off to look at it since the damn nut just spins in the stock. Anyway I have a few questions that I hope you all can answer for me.

1. Which "type" system is more often used in the community? Ruth's or Reisch's ? I allways liked Reisch's better. (Reisch's book is in the mail.)

2. Does War Baby Volume III have more information for determining exactly which parts would be original to my NPM. I'd like to be positive as to which lot # would be correct before I drop the money to buy a trigger housing which is what I am looking to get first.

3. Can anyone give me any ideas for dealing with the damn nut in my stock that just spins. I don't want to scratch up my stock getting the recoil plate off.

4. What would be a reasonable price to pay for the correct trigger housing and rear sight?

GuapoPogi

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cali201
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Posted - 03/26/2015 :  06:06:33 AM  Show Profile Send cali201 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
correct rear sight would be a flip and if you can find one that is original it will be in the area of $150+. More then likely you will be tricked into buying a fake sight for similar money as there are lots of fakes out there and more every day. First rule is do not buy anything from Kalifornia (Riverbank armory and associated accounts like on Gunbroker). You want to put a flip sight on your NPM, that must mean there is an adjustable sight on there now. If so it is probably staked and those stake marks will show when a flip is installed. Trigger housing (complete) would run in the area of $175-$225, stripped maybe $95 ish. I would suggest to go to the CMP forums, ask more questions and post in the WTB section. You must be logged in to see this link.

Good chance if your nut is spinning the screw is rusted/welded with age to the nut and caused it to spin when you tried to take it off. If that is the case what I have done is drilled out the head of the screw, then pushed the shaft/nut out the bottom. When I put in a new nut, being the hole is now bigger from it turning I had to glue the nut in place. (but do so after you put the recoil plate in and thread the screw a bit, this way it will line up)

Edited by - cali201 on 03/26/2015 06:11:05 AM
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GuapoPogi
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Posted - 03/26/2015 :  1:07:39 PM  Show Profile Send GuapoPogi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My rear sight is quite offset to the left. I have a suspision that the previous owner stripped it of collectible parts to restore a carbine that had a reciever in better condition and tried to jam the Type II PI sight on there before selling it. Or maybe he just wanted to sell the collectible parts. It is kind of hard to tell from this picture but the sight is about a quarter of an inch left of center in the reciever. There is a stake mark to the right of the sight that prevents it from moving further to the right. I will try to remember to take a bunch of decent pictures tonight and post them in a new thread then I will ask for opinions of how I should restore it. As it sits the condition is unacceptable to me. I will either restore it with original parts or I will restore it to original configuration with repro parts then have it re-parkerized so it has a uniform finish and looks better.

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jimb16
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USA
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Posted - 03/26/2015 :  7:39:20 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Offset rear sights are very ommon on carbines. Don't try to move it until you shoot it. It may be properly positioned.

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PDW
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Belgium
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Posted - 03/27/2015 :  09:26:04 AM  Show Profile Send PDW a Private Message  Reply with Quote
On the 2 carbines I own, the rear sights are also offset to the left. No problem.
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 03/27/2015 :  10:55:47 AM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Your rear sight doesn't look that bad.

There's always a lot of discussion about the carbine's sights. Usually there is concern that the front sight is too short because it was filed down to align with the original flip rear sight during manufacture and now you have a replacement adjustable rear sight that cannot be adjusted far enough to get the point of impact back on the paper. Usually people try to find an unmodified front sight or, like me, add material to the front sight. I used JB Weld epoxy.




Also, more often than not the rear sight is left of center when the carbine is zeroed. Sometimes way left of center. I'm not sure why this occurs so often, but it does. Maybe the front sight is canted. Maybe it's just the natural accumulation of tolerances or the consequence of the forces of the manufacturing process. You know, warp, twist, stress relief, etc. Who knows? I spent a lot of time messing with this but finally decided that although it looks bad, my carbines can be adjusted to shoot accurately and that's what really matters.

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TLC954
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Posted - 03/27/2015 :  3:23:09 PM  Show Profile Send TLC954 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sorry...read your post too fast. You said recoil plate, not butt plate.
If you still haven't fixed your issue:
I would drill 4 or 5 small holes(1/32" or smaller)at a very slight angle as not to touch the sides of the bored hole in the stock adjacent to, and in contact with the nut from the bottom side of the stock and inject some epoxy into those holes. Let the epoxy set up, apply some penetrating oil to the threads and try to back out the screw.

If that doesn't work, you could be a bit more aggressive and use a small burr on a Dremel Tool at the same slight angle, only this time, actually cut a bit of a semi-circle into the edge of the nut and also the wood without disturbing the outer edge of the bore in the stock. Apply a small amount of epoxy to hogged out holes and let it set up. Then do the penetrating oil thing and back out the screw. The retaining nut will need to be replaced at that point. If a new nut is still loose, epoxy it into place.
TC

Edited by - TLC954 on 03/27/2015 7:28:41 PM
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GuapoPogi
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USA
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Posted - 03/29/2015 :  5:46:13 PM  Show Profile Send GuapoPogi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have discussions about my carbine going in 4 different threads. They all started with different questions but they have evolved into very similar threads so I figure they should be combined. Here is the link to that thread to the thread with 12 pictures.

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