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shootist
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Posted - 02/20/2015 :  12:27:05 PM  Show Profile Send shootist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I inherited a M1 carbine from my uncle, a WW2 vet. I used to play with it as I was growing up and learned to shoot it whenever I visited him over the years. Now I want to know more about it. Here are the details:

Underwood barrel marked 8-43 with Ordnance symbol
Stock marked TN
Front sight marked JO or JQ
Rear sight marked L.R. CO. 7160060
Ordnance symbol on right side of rear receiver by bolt slide
Saginaw SG Serial number 18400XX
Early style mag catch


Thatís all I could determine from the US Carbine website.

Could you please let me know what the above reveals about the firearm? And the potential value? Thank you very much.

Chris Thomas

Edited by - shootist on 02/20/2015 5:27:34 PM

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Tuna
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Posted - 02/20/2015 :  7:08:31 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What you have listed means that your S'G' carbine has been through at least one rebuild in it's life. That is when the later parts were added to it like the adjustable rear sight. The barrel is most likely original to the receiver. The front sight is from a Quality Hardware carbine. If it has the type 3 band with the bayonet lug that was changed during the rebuild too. The vast majority of carbines ever made were rebuilt post WW2.
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 02/20/2015 :  9:15:56 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Chris,

Your Saginaw S'G' was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan as part of GM's takeover of Irwin Pedersen's carbine contract. The last S'G' carbine was shipped in early January, 1944. Your Underwood barrel is probably original to the rifle.

The rear sight is a replacement, probably the result of an arsenal rebuild. I would also expect to see a later flip safety replacing a push safety and a later barrel band with a bayonet lug replacing the earlier barrel band without the bayonet lug. The "JQ" front sight was manufactured for Quality Hardware and was probably switched during the arsenal rebuild when replacing the barrel band. The same goes for the "TN" stock, originally intended for Saginaw Gear (SG) carbine made in Saginaw, Michigan. No particular care was taken during these rebuilds to keep the original parts together thus the term "mix master".

The Saginaw S'G" variant is considered rare by carbine collectors. Probably worth a couple grand. Look on the CMP Auction web sight to see what they have been selling for. You are likely to find one in the completed sale section that is similar to yours. Of course, condition and originality will affect the value.


JackP
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shootist
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USA
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Posted - 02/20/2015 :  9:19:28 PM  Show Profile Send shootist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the update. Can you determine what the firearm worth based on the above info?

Chris Thomas
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 02/20/2015 :  9:26:27 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's one that the CMP sold at auction for over $3800.

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Not sayin' yours is worth that much, but...

JackP
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shootist
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USA
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Posted - 02/21/2015 :  08:51:19 AM  Show Profile Send shootist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you Jack. I appreciate your efforts.

Chris Thomas
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shootist
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USA
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Posted - 02/21/2015 :  08:51:31 AM  Show Profile Send shootist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you Jack. I appreciate your efforts.

Chris Thomas
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Tuna
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Posted - 02/22/2015 :  8:45:36 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most rebuilt carbines are in the $800+ range depending on condition. You cannot go by what the auctions at CMP go for. There are a lot of dumb people who bid on these just so they can say I got one from CMP. Then there are those who will pay a very high price for a carbine to try and help out CMP. But anyway one looks at it the prices are not anywhere near normal for carbines and are well over inflated.
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shootist
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USA
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Posted - 02/23/2015 :  12:32:33 PM  Show Profile Send shootist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks again Tuna. I'm gettin' beat up on the FS side... Guess those folks are used to taking advantage...

Chris Thomas
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Tuna
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Posted - 02/24/2015 :  9:37:57 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Chris, I think Jackp may have given you the wrong idea as to the value of your carbine. It being a typical rebuilt would be in the $800 to $900 range. One that is all original would bring many thousands on the open market but not a rebuilt. Hope this helps you out a bit.
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rhineriver1
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Switzerland
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Posted - 02/25/2015 :  2:59:52 PM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Chris: please excuse my comments on the WTS Forum. I did not recognize that you were comparing the CMP auction carbine with yours. Tuna is right with the Price range between 800 and 900 USD.
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jimb16
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USA
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Posted - 03/13/2016 :  9:00:38 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A rebuilt S'G' in very nice condition with a lot of S'G' or IP parts could bring a bit more. But only a couple hundred max.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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