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Noma68
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USA
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Posted - 09/12/2014 :  08:33:20 AM  Show Profile Send Noma68 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Believe I have an original Underwood M1 carbine that has not undergone any rebuild. S/N 2391xxx. Features listed below, along with remarks I have picked up through online research. Posting in the interest of getting comments, confirmatory or otherwise, from people far better informed than me.

Receiver: Underwood, with S/N below, and “T” superimposed on faint flaming bomb on bezel. (Understand this denotes a receiver subcontracted to Intertype).
Barrel: Underwood, with very faint, virtually illegible date below….could be 1-44. Certainly 1944. “P” stamped lower on barrel.
Stock: Low wood with oval oiler cutout (understand Underwood started building low wood/oval beginning with S/N 1,400,000).
Pot belly stock; metal buttplate
Handguard is 2-rivet and stamped “M-U” on underside.
Right side of stock stamped with GHD over UEF, with crossed cannons on right, all within a rectangle. (Why do I read about some cartouches being GHD/UEF and others UEF/GHD?)
Only other marking anywhere on the wood is a small, distinct, but still unintelligible, stamp inside the sling well.
Wood is in great condition…..no damage or signs of use.
Flat bolt
Type 1 rear flip sight, “S” stamped on left side
Button safety, plain
Button mag release, plain
Front sight stamped “EU”
Straight face slide
Narrow Type 1 barrel band, no bayonet lug

I haven’t disassembled to pick up markings on smaller parts, but everything so far seems to point to a factory original.

Perhaps biggest question was possible discrepancy between receiver S/N and barrel date. But I understand Underwood farmed out most of their lot 2 S/Ns (#s 2353520 to 2912519) to 4 subs, including Intertype, and did not start producing carbines with these S/Ns until October, 1943. Mostly completed deliveries by the end of ’43 (but not all). So, if my reading of the barrel date is correct (1/44), then this is one of the later carbines produced by Underwood with a subcontracted receiver…..around January or February of 1944. (How best to narrow down or confirm date of assembly)?

All in all, from what my limited research says, this carbine seems configured the way it left the factory. No indication it was exported or rebuilt after the war.

Open to thoughts/questions, etc. Any indication of market value?

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shadycon
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Posted - 09/12/2014 :  5:59:28 PM  Show Profile Send shadycon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi and welcome;
A pot belly stock is not original.GK

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Noma68
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USA
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Posted - 09/12/2014 :  8:18:14 PM  Show Profile Send Noma68 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually, it turns out it does not have a pot belly stock.....I looked at several carbine photos and concluded it does not. Looks like RhineRiver1's Underwood.
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BQ97
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Posted - 09/12/2014 :  8:41:09 PM  Show Profile Send BQ97 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If the stock is a low wood it has been modified or isn't the original stock. Underwood was still using high wood stocks well into 1944. Underwood was done with their first serial number block before the low wood stock was standardized.

Your info on when Underwood was assembling carbines using the subcontracted receivers is incorrect. Underwood started using the Intertype receivers in July 1943, not October 1943, and used them until their contract ended in April 1944. In fact UEF used receivers from all the subcontractors into the March/April 1944 time frame.

You see some acceptance stamps depicted as GHD/UEF and others UEF/GHD because both types were used during different time periods.
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rhineriver1
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Switzerland
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Posted - 12/29/2014 :  02:42:34 AM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To Noma68. The stock of my Underwood was replace at a time. Today it comes with a type III Inland stock low wood.
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