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hunterman1
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Posted - 08/08/2014 :  9:14:49 PM  Show Profile Send hunterman1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ebay has two auctions by Northridge International for IBM flat bolts. I am not recommending or wanting to purchase these bolts but I am curious about the description. Both are Type 2 and are marked "AOB". One is described as a 1942 model with an "SVB" firing pin and "IB" extractor. The other is a 1943-1944 model with a "B-EB" firing pin and "US-B" extractor.

My questions is, what characteristic(s) enable one to identify the particular year or period of production of these Type 2 bolts?

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Tuna
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Posted - 08/09/2014 :  12:20:41 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They really can't. At best they are going on what is in the bolt like a type 1 firing pin in one bolt and a type 3 in the other. Or the extractor type in one and a different one in the other. But a type 2 bolt is the same no matter when it was made and that was the first bolt IBM made and used.
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jimb16
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Posted - 08/10/2014 :  6:02:00 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That might not be entirely correct Tuna. I'm not that familiar with IBM bolts, but I'm sure they went thru some of the same modifications that other bolts went thru. The angle cuts on the lug might be different between earlier and later IBM bolts. I'd have to do some study to know one way or the other. Brian Q might know the answer to that one.

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Tuna
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Posted - 08/10/2014 :  9:30:58 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jim, IBM only used the type 2 bolt and later the type 3. I don't think that any modifications made during production would be visible to the naked eye and I doubt anyone took the time to measure the differences between bolts if any at Northridge. lol
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jimb16
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Posted - 08/12/2014 :  08:49:06 AM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Probably true, but you never know!

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myname
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Posted - 08/14/2014 :  09:33:04 AM  Show Profile Send myname a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So what was a type I bolt and were they widely used?
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hunterman1
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Posted - 08/14/2014 :  7:42:01 PM  Show Profile Send hunterman1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
According to Riesch's book, only Inland (about 3500 total)and Winchester (about 1000 total) used Type 1 bolts. These very earlier production bolts had a deep cut design that weakened the right lug.
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Tuna
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Posted - 08/14/2014 :  8:59:51 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Use of the type 1 bolt was during the summer of 1942 and was dropped for the type 2 bolt in the fall of 1942. The area of the extractor is the weak point on a carbine bolt. The type 2 had more metal left in this area when machined to give the bolt more strength but bolts did continue to break off and on.
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