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 Underwood M1 cabine with Inland s/n ???
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koyli
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Belgium
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Posted - 07/27/2014 :  3:35:33 PM  Show Profile Send koyli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello forum members

A small Question:How is it possible that an Underwood reciever is marked with an Inland S/N (in my case 5238xxx)?

Kind regards from Belgium

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Tuna
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Posted - 07/27/2014 :  11:29:14 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Koyli, Are you sure the serial number is 7 digits and not 6? If it should be 6 numbers then it's one of between 4000 to 6000 Inland receivers sent to Underwood in the late July and August 1943 time frame. Underwood needed extra receivers to keep production going so Inland sent them to Underwood. The rest of the carbine would have been made with Underwood parts. If it's 7 numbers then I have no listing of Inland sending receivers to Underwood in the April 1944 time frame and at that time Underwood had more receivers then they could produce carbines with.
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koyli
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Belgium
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Posted - 07/28/2014 :  4:25:45 PM  Show Profile Send koyli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Tuna,

Thx for the feedback.It's without doubt a 7 digit serial number. perhaps this doesn't make any sense but can the last digit be a suffix O instead of a zero? If not can we conclude someone messed with the serial number?


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Tuna
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Posted - 07/28/2014 :  9:36:14 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
koyli, Is there anyway you can post a photo of the rear of the receiver where the serial number is?
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koyli
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Belgium
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Posted - 07/30/2014 :  4:35:55 PM  Show Profile Send koyli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello,

Here by a some pictures of the M1 carbine.

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Listed below: a few other details

- Frontsight marked with EU or EO
- flip sight
- Underwood barrel dated 4 4?
- no rebuild proofmark and no P mark
- magazine catch not marked
- 4 rivet handguard


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rhineriver1
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Switzerland
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Posted - 07/31/2014 :  10:47:29 AM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It seems the Receiver got a new serial number at one time!?
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Tuna
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Posted - 07/31/2014 :  11:21:40 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That is just what happened. At some point someone removed the original serial number and just stamped a group of numbers on the receiver. Happened to be in the Inland range of serial numbers.
Your stock is one made by Marlin for Underwood so it's an original Underwood stock. The bolt has what appears to be a proofing stamp on it from one of the European countries. I would guess Germany, Austria or Belgium maybe. The rear sight being a type 1 would be correct for Underwood as would a front sight marked EU.

Edited by - Tuna on 07/31/2014 11:25:44 AM
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koyli
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Belgium
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Posted - 07/31/2014 :  5:42:53 PM  Show Profile Send koyli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Although the rest of carbine is OK I think the issue with the s/n reduce the value.Further more as a collector you would like something else than a carbine with a non original serial number
The carbine is on the market for €700 (approx. 940 USD)so I think it's wise to look for another M1 carbine.
Thanks again for all your feedback
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rhineriver1
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Switzerland
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Posted - 07/31/2014 :  5:52:01 PM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I checked the proof mark on bolt and receiver. According the source I have found it is a belgian proof mark for foreign arms.
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koyli
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Belgium
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Posted - 08/01/2014 :  04:10:17 AM  Show Profile Send koyli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
it's a Belgian proof mark for weapons made abroad used from 30/06/1924 till the present day.probably the proof house of Liège is also the one who put the other s/n on the reciever
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