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patw
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Posted - 08/07/2013 :  2:54:46 PM  Show Profile Send patw a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What would proper Magazine Catch marking be on early Underwood 3-43,
AU / WU / M horizontal with vertical NA / .U. or none of above?

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Tuna
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Posted - 08/08/2013 :  09:31:14 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A type 1A long plain face magazine catch marked .U. is correct for your carbine. It was used through out all of 1943. The short face AU did not come into use till 2-44.
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crasha51pan
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Posted - 12/22/2014 :  10:07:01 AM  Show Profile Send crasha51pan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Am wondering:
If you owned a Carbine with a 12-43 barrel, and there are "no" rebuild marks anywhere to be found on this rifle. The Mag Release is marked with a AU, would it be possible the M1 was manufactured in real late December of 43, and it appears the AU marked Release was used "approximately from February 44, given it could be just a 30 day difference between catches that this Carbine was fitted with the AU Release and still be correct ??
It's the word "approximately" that makes me wonder.....
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always learning
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Posted - 12/22/2014 :  11:06:29 AM  Show Profile Send always learning a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tuna

A type 1A long plain face magazine catch marked .U. is correct for your carbine. It was used through out all of 1943. The short face AU did not come into use till 2-44.



You may want to add good luck finding one too. I have seen one 1A Underwood marked mag catch on a for sale Underwood in several years (wasted time too!)of looking at for sale carbines . All of the rest of them have had the 2A catch no matter how correct or not for the time period. If anyone has one for sale let me know. I found an almost totally original Underwood with a 10-43 barrel date that's lacking the 1A mag catch. Interestingly enough though,it actually had an Inland 1A catch on it... the first I have personally owned.
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crasha51pan
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Posted - 12/22/2014 :  11:47:32 AM  Show Profile Send crasha51pan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Type A Variation 1 Mag Catch was not known to be used by Underwood..
Type A Variation 2 (long face) .U. was used throughout 1943

just my understanding...

Edited by - crasha51pan on 12/22/2014 11:49:19 AM
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Tuna
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Posted - 12/22/2014 :  8:43:43 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The type 1 variation and type 1A variation are the same magazine catch except for the serrations on the type 1 early which Underwood didn't use and the plain face which Underwood did use.

Don't go by the barrel date on a carbine. It could have been in a bin for months before being used so a carbine made in Feb. could have a 12-43 barrel on it. But if the carbine was made in Dec. 43 then it would not be likely the catch was originally an AU.
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rhineriver1
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Posted - 12/29/2014 :  02:40:11 AM  Show Profile Send rhineriver1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have an Underwood (w) with 12-43 barrel. It is fittet with a AU mag catch. If I understand correctly it was made after December 1943. Thank you Guys.
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gsp45
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Posted - 01/05/2015 :  8:43:07 PM  Show Profile Send gsp45 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
patw, you didnt say what your s/n was, only 3/43 bbl date. But I'll go out on a limb and say that a short plain face .U. marked mag catch would be appropriate.
Contrary to previous posters, I do go by s/n and bbl dates. Not saying there are some exceptions, but I would place your s/n range between 1,375,xxx and 1,424,xxx.
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patw
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Posted - 01/06/2015 :  6:19:36 PM  Show Profile Send patw a Private Message  Reply with Quote
gsp45, s/n is 1388xxx which is between s/n range you stated.
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jimb16
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Posted - 01/07/2015 :  09:18:11 AM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm going to correct something here. Underwood DID use a very few of the serrated long faced catches. I had one in my collection for a while. It is the only one that I've ever seen, but they do exist.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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Tuna
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Posted - 01/07/2015 :  09:38:18 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jim, do you remember the serial number on it?
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gsp45
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Posted - 01/07/2015 :  10:57:12 AM  Show Profile Send gsp45 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jimb, not beat a dead horse to death, but if you had an origianl UEF with a long face serrated mag catch, you had a very early gun and quite unusual too. Quoting Ruth's integration records 249 were sent on 10-26-42 and 2000 were shipped on 11-26-42 from Inland. An additional 1998 were "requested" but no shipping date recorded. Now, looking at C/C COM data shows only 1 recorded on gun 1,351,---. The next recorded original is 1,356,--- and its shown with a short plain face .U. mag catch. So it would appear you could find this serrated catch in the first 5-6000 guns, but doubtful after that s/n.
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