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BEYU
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USA
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Posted - 09/04/2010 :  1:34:18 PM  Show Profile Send BEYU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just received an email (as probably many of you did as well) from the NRA reporting that the Dept. of State is blocking the return of approx. 800,000 M1 Garands and carbines from South Korea.

Now we know why, when the CMP announced they were out of M1 Carbines, that they also said they do not expect to get more.

According to the Brady Campaign, these guns are a "threat to public safety".

Here's a link to the article:

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I respectfully suggest that those of us who are so inclined should contact our Congressional Reps and Senators and kindly and politely demand they get this position changed!

I don't feel I'm a "threat to public safety". How about you?

Nothing like a little gun control through the back door while no one is looking.....

BEYU

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benj. Franklin

Edited by - BEYU on 09/04/2010 4:52:38 PM

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jimb16
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Posted - 09/05/2010 :  5:47:38 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The US State Dept's Hillary Clinton gun control act of 2010. Call it what it is.

OGCA Lifer, 03 Cruffler
son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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BEYU
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USA
289 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2010 :  4:26:03 PM  Show Profile Send BEYU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I hope no one thinks I'm beating a dead horse — But, for those who are interested, I have composed a sample letter that can be used and edited by any of you and sent to your member of Congress. Remember, please, these weasels count on us to be apathetic.

Dear Senator/Congressman ———————:

It has recently come to my attention that the US Department of State is blocking the return of thousands of surplus M1 Garand rifles and M1 Carbines to the United States. Here is a link to an NRA news article on this subject:

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Apparently, the State Department is justifying the decision in the interest of "public safety".

Surplus military firearms are normally transferred to the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) which is authorized to repair and re-condition these weapons and then offer them for sale to approved purchasers. These weapons are historic artifacts — they are the guns that won World War II. It is difficult to imagine how those who would want to buy these firearms could be thought to constitute a danger to society. These buyers undergo an FBI criminal background check, and all must show proof of familiarity/training in the safe handling and use of firearms. Most buyers are veterans. We do not feel we are a danger to "public safety". On the contrary, many of us put our lives on the line for our country when we served.

These guns are living pieces of history that need to be preserved, they are not the type of weapons favored by criminals. The M1 Garand rifle is too long and heavy to be concealed, and would be much too awkward for a criminal to use. The M1 carbine is smaller, but lacks the firepower favored by criminals.

This decision by the State Department is a back door attempt at gun control. The issue should be discussed in the open, and the decision reached publicly, not in the dark of night by a select group of unelected bureaucrats.

Sincerely,

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BEYU
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USA
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Posted - 09/10/2010 :  5:17:15 PM  Show Profile Send BEYU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just got an email from Gun Owners Of America. They are saying the Obama administration may be thinking of melting down the M1 Garands and Carbines if they return from South Korea.

Didn't "Bubba" Clinton do the same thing when he was the Prez? I am sure Hilary is the motive force behind all this.

I found this news story from Fox News on the subject posted on Sept 1st. Here's the link:

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I suppose it is true that the more of these rifles that are destroyed, the more the ones we have will increase in value... Still, it is a shame.
BEYU

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benj. Franklin

Edited by - BEYU on 09/11/2010 1:17:39 PM
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rg1911
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USA
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Posted - 11/01/2010 :  09:23:21 AM  Show Profile Send rg1911 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's an interesting twist on the topic:

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It seems this is a larger instance of firearms control than I originally thought. And, (we're all surprised, I know), the administration may not be entirely truthful.

Richard
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BEYU
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USA
289 Posts

Posted - 11/20/2010 :  3:48:13 PM  Show Profile Send BEYU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just found this update on the issue at the NAGR web site. Here's an excerpt:

Obama’s Ban on Historic Rifles

"...The National Association for Gun Rights first announced the situation regarding over 800,000 Korean War-era rifles in early September of this year. These rifles — over 87,000 M1 Garands and 770,000-plus M1 Carbines — had been given to South Korea during the late 1950s in order to assist their military against growing North Korean aggression. It became a story when South Korea tried to sell these rifles back to the United States to raise money, only to have their efforts blocked by the State Department for fear that they could “fall into the wrong hands.”

The tangled web of this issue, though, is more difficult to follow. For example, one investigative journalist uncovered some documentation from the MAP (Military Assistance Program), under which the rifles were given to South Korea. His findings were that they were never “sold” at all; they fell under a grant aid program run by the United States Army. In short, we still own them.

The obvious question then becomes: How could the State Department block the sale of something that cannot be sold? If the Army still owns them, isn’t it their responsibility to take possession of these historical artifacts and ensure their care?..."

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I guess if it can be shown that the US Army still owns these weapons, then they would be eligible to be released to the CMP for sale to collectors like us.

BEYU

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

- Benj. Franklin
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Six_Shooter
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Posted - 09/18/2011 :  4:45:27 PM  Show Profile Send Six_Shooter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don't dispair, if the world economy doesnn't turn around. The US Army will be as glad to reappropriate them for private sale in the US as S. Korea is to sell them. Cut the US Defense Budget by about $400 billion and see what happens. Until then, it's just peanuts...
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Kilibreaux
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USA
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Posted - 02/28/2017 :  03:51:40 AM  Show Profile Send Kilibreaux a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Looks like we need to REVIVE this thread! Donald Trump may indeed allow these guns back in!
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Tuna
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Posted - 02/28/2017 :  6:48:15 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The first thing to understand is NONE of these are US loaned firearms. They are owned outright by Korea. The CMP has no connection to these what so ever. They will never be able to get any of them. Before the Hilda Beast and the Pres banned them Century Arms had put a lot of money down on these and then it was all frozen by the Democrats. If the Donald reverses all of this then Century will be able to bring them into the country. It is going to take sometime but it will happen.
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jimb16
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USA
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Posted - 03/04/2017 :  7:38:40 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There are currently several petitions that you can sign on the whitehouse.gov/petitions site that are asking for the removal of the restrictions on the return of those firearms as well as the removal of the restrictions on the importation of foreign military surplus arms and ammo. Also, a "white paper" prepared at the BATFE offices makes a statement that it would be a good idea to remove these restriction, and to allow the sale of sound suppressors as firearms with a standard 4473 form instead of the current $200 registration and 8 month wait!

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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