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jbmi
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Posted - 11/08/2012 :  7:47:29 PM  Show Profile Send jbmi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Our deer season opens on the 15th, I'm an old traditionalist and over the past 55 years have use traditional deer rifles. A few years ago I did hunt with my M1 Garand to fill a doe tag, worked just like anyone of my normal deer rifles.
Just acquired an M1 Carbine along with a legal 5 shot magazine and some Remington 110gr. Soft Points. Any of you ever hunt deer with your Carbine?
I also have a new Colt HBAR that is set up with a great scope, may have to try that one too.

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jlwilliams
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  06:50:45 AM  Show Profile Send jlwilliams a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A guy I used to work with used one for hunting.

It's a little light for deer. Great for javelina or coyote. If you get really close, it will do it's part if you do yours, but it isn't really a deer cartridge.
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Tuna
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  11:02:11 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Agreed it's not the best deer rifle around but if you hold your shots to no more then say 50 to 75 yards and put the shot where it should be you can take a deer down OK. Shot placement is the key but it would not be my first choice for a deer rifle. If you do decide to use it be sure you use a good factory soft point round.
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weimar_police
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USA
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  1:04:13 PM  Show Profile Send weimar_police a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it makes a difference on the 'type' of deer? The ones in Louisiana when I lived there, were maybe a 100 lbs, maybe... the ones out west, Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, they are much larger, white tail and mule deer :)

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myname
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  4:02:51 PM  Show Profile Send myname a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Two of my uncles brought their M1 Carbines home from WWII. One of them is still kicking and he has been using his Winchester carbine to hunt deer in Maine for more than 50 years.

He's taken over 40 deer with it over the years and it has been a great deer gun for him. In close range hunting (typical in the East) a Carbine with expanding bullets works fine for putting down deer.
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Tuna
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  10:39:44 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And I will bet most of his shots were between 25 and 50 yards in thick brush and woods.
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ratpatrol
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Posted - 11/17/2012 :  6:23:56 PM  Show Profile Send ratpatrol a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've used mine but X the ball ammo until they started producing SP ammo. I was hunting NC where deer are the size of dogs though
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shadycon
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Posted - 11/21/2012 :  01:22:22 AM  Show Profile Send shadycon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I shot a couple in Fla. using fact.lead tip hollow points. Again, small deer at around 50 yds. GK

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imarangemaster
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Posted - 11/24/2012 :  12:23:13 PM  Show Profile Send imarangemaster a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I personally killed a 200 pound blacktail deer in the Sierras. Distance was almost 100 yards (96 long paces) with a single heart-lung shot. Ammo was R-P 110 JSP. I could stick 4 fingers and a thumb in the exit wound. It was hit, ran 30 feet, and then dropped dead.
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Freezerfiller
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Posted - 01/17/2017 :  6:59:05 PM  Show Profile Send Freezerfiller a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I recently joined this forum and couldn't believe I couldn't find any posts, much less a category about hunting with this rifle. I have killed at least 2 dozen whitetails with mine. All more than 40 and less than 90 yards. I have had excellent results with the Winchester HSP rounds. They generally just fall, but some run 20 yards or so If I don't make a broadside shot. I have pics of deer my father killed with it, and took pictures that my son has killed with it. My eyes are getting a little old for the peep sight, but it is a deer killing machine inside of 100 yards and under 150 lbs.
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Captain O
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Posted - 02/02/2017 :  2:52:18 PM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The 85 grain Underwood "Extreme Cavitator" works well for this application. The round disrupts both flesh and neuromuscular activity while penetration a full 22 1/2 inches in ballistic gelatin.

This is an excellent choice for both hunting and personal defense.

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americanboy
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Posted - 02/02/2017 :  6:45:36 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm loading a .308 86-grain Hornady JSP with 16.5 grains of H110 OAL 1.625. It zips along at an average of 2325 fps and I'm still below Hodgdon max load data. Problem is....all I've shot with it are targets and pop-cans...so far.
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Captain O
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Posted - 02/02/2017 :  7:54:17 PM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by americanboy

I'm loading a .308 86-grain Hornady JSP with 16.5 grains of H110 OAL 1.625. It zips along at an average of 2325 fps and I'm still below Hodgdon max load data. Problem is....all I've shot with it are targets and pop-cans...so far.



That sounds as if it's a potent load for the Carbine. Power and penetration. All that's missing is accuracy to make it an excellent deer hunting.

Thanks for the recipe.

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COSteve
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Posted - 02/04/2017 :  12:58:11 PM  Show Profile Send COSteve a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The issue is there is hunting and then there is hunting and there are deer and then there are deer. What??

If you live in an area with dense brush where your average shots are well under 100yds and if the deer in your area are the smaller eastern whitetail deer, then the M1 Carbine shooting a full power 110grn 30 Carbine rd equivalent to, say Federal's Power-Shok ammo producing 1990fps and 967ft/lbs of ME may work for you.

However, if you live in an area where your average shots are well over 100yds and if the deer in your area are the larger mule or whitetail deer, then the M1 Carbine shooting a full power 110grn 30 Carbine rd equivalent to, say Federal's Power-Shok ammo producing 1990fps and 967ft/lbs of ME definitely will not work for you.

You'll have to ascertain the average size of the deer in your area as well as the likely hunting conditions and ranges. It may work or it may not. In addition, you also need to check on any restrictions your area imposes upon minimum caliber, bullet weight, and/or ME to hunt deer size game animals as well. Some areas won't have restrictions and some might. For example, in places like Colorado, it would be illegal to use a 30 Carbine on deer because it doesn't produce a minimum of 1,000ft/lbs of ME required to hunt our large mule deer with.

Added: Even though the 86grn bullet recommended above shows a 1,041ft/lbs of ME at the muzzle on Hodgdon's chart, that's assuming a 20" barrel, not the 18" carbine barrel. Further, at only 10ys it has dropped to 1,000ft/lbs of ME and at 100yds it's dropped to 728ft/lbs of ME; about as much as a stout pistol rd and way below the humane power to take down a large mule deer. Something to consider.

Steve

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Edited by - COSteve on 02/04/2017 1:06:08 PM
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americanboy
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Posted - 02/04/2017 :  2:10:13 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Captain O

quote:
Originally posted by americanboy

I'm loading a .308 86-grain Hornady JSP with 16.5 grains of H110 OAL 1.625. It zips along at an average of 2325 fps and I'm still below Hodgdon max load data. Problem is....all I've shot with it are targets and pop-cans...so far.



That sounds as if it's a potent load for the Carbine. Power and penetration. All that's missing is accuracy to make it an excellent deer hunting.

Thanks for the recipe.



It's safe. Hodgdon lists 17.5 grains of H110 under a 85-grain .308 at an OAL of 1.625 as a pressure of 34,800 and MV at 2458. I'm loading a grain below that. The round prints in the same spot on the target as a commercial 110-grain FMJ, or my other hand-loaded 110-grain FMJ's. I've only shot targets with it and don't know what it does out to 100-yards.

Edited by - americanboy on 02/04/2017 2:11:06 PM
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Tuna
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Posted - 02/04/2017 :  7:34:59 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just remember that the 85 gr. class of bullets is classified as a pistol bullet and not a rifle one. Yes it's .308 diameter but it's not meant to be used for hunting deer at ultra high velocity. These bullets have a tendency to expand too fast and do not penetrate enough to make a clean kill. They most often will blow up making a surface wound. I have seen it before. A .357 158 gr soft point in a lever carbine that hit a 270 lbs. dress 12 pointer in the armored plate on it's shoulder and just made a surface wound. We had to trail that deer for almost 24 hours before it was finally taken.
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americanboy
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Posted - 02/05/2017 :  06:00:53 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Never rely on data posted for a pistol cartridge fired from a 4-inch barrel that you plan to use in a longer barrel either. It will behave much differently in a rifle-barrel. Hodgdon does list the load I mentioned above as a 30-Carbine load fired from a 20-inch barrel. It does shoot very well, is accurate, but I have no idea how it would react on flesh-n-bone other than a possibly vague comparison to a 60-grain 5.56 soft-point traveling at a similar velocity, which of course is a different shaped projectile.
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Frank E5
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Posted - 02/14/2017 :  09:51:33 AM  Show Profile Send Frank E5 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anybody ever heard of putting a night vision scope on m1 for hunting?
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americanboy
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USA
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Posted - 02/14/2017 :  12:18:27 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Makes perfect sense and great for Armadillo's and other nocturnal critters. You can install a rail on a cheap metal or wood hand guard for long eye relief devices and I've seen a commercial version of that. Just snaps-on-snaps-off your carbine more-or-less without serious modification and there is no issue with brass deflection.

Edited by - americanboy on 02/14/2017 12:19:09 PM
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savagebrother
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Posted - 12/03/2017 :  12:34:41 AM  Show Profile Send savagebrother a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mmm you guys forgot about buffalo bore, they have a 110 gr soft point bullet loaded to 2100 FPS and it's still within SAAMI pressure for this cartridge.
I have a box as soon as I get a chance I'll shoot them and report on what happens.
SB

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Edited by - jimb16 on 12/08/2017 11:16:50 AM
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savagebrother
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Posted - 12/03/2017 :  12:39:03 AM  Show Profile Send savagebrother a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mmm you guys forgot about buffalo bore, they have a 110 gr soft point bullet loaded to 2100 FPS and it's still within SAAMI pressure for this cartridge.
I have a box as soon as I get a chance I'll shoot them and report on what happens.
SB

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jimb16
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Posted - 12/08/2017 :  11:21:32 AM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Even if it were legal in Ohio, I wouldn't want to use one. My buck was a 7 point this year. Field dressed, it came in at 185 pounds. I really don't think the carbine is enough gun for a quick clean kill on a buck that big.

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