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americanboy
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Posted - 05/06/2017 :  08:19:18 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is a long shot I know. Is anyone familiar with Canadian law concerning the shipment of small gun parts to-from Canada into-out of the US? I'm not talking about anything bearing a serial number...or a barrel. I think there are applicable exemptions?

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bonnie
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Posted - 05/06/2017 :  5:46:07 PM  Show Profile Send bonnie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have purchased gun parts from Canadian dealers in the past, such as 303 rifle bolt heads and other small parts. Nothing recently though.
There never was an issue with Canadian or U.S. laws with the items I bought.

You might contact a company like Marstar, a Canadian dealer, for up to date information.
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americanboy
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Posted - 05/06/2017 :  6:33:08 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks bonnie. I want to ship a stripped carbine bolt to a Smith in Canada for some modifications. He told me it would be no problem to send it to him, but he was unsure of how it needed to be shipped back to me.
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Tuna
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Posted - 05/06/2017 :  8:29:06 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You very well may have a big problem getting a part back into the country if it leaves it. Kind of like the same problem getting carbines in from Korea. It has to be a non military part and has to be approved by the state department. You have to remember that all USGI firearms and parts are a huge NO NO on the liberal agenda. And right now the order our past Pres signed banning all is still in effect.


I just did some more checking on returning parts. You can import a firearm say a 30-30 Winchester from almost anywhere using an 001 FFL. BUT you cannot bring back any US military parts or rifles or handguns into the country. It sucks but it is the way the law is written.

Edited by - Tuna on 05/07/2017 09:43:49 AM
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bonnie
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Posted - 05/07/2017 :  11:20:13 AM  Show Profile Send bonnie a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it is doable but current Canadian/USA law would have to be confirmed before I would venture losing an M1 carbine bolt to US or Canadian Customs.
Ebay seller located in France sells a lot of USGI M1 carbine/M1 Garand parts to U.S. buyers. I have purchased carbine parts from him in the few past months. Sells parts only. No firearms.
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Tuna
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Posted - 05/07/2017 :  8:57:41 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't think you will find him selling things like bolts or barrels anymore. Rear sights, screws, oilers and slings ATF/Customs may turn a blind eye too but not bolts. Our last Pres and the Beast were selective in that some stuff is OK and other parts are not. Can't get USGI magazines into the country but new Koreans you can. It doesn't make sense but then again the liberal agenda never has made sense.
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americanboy
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Posted - 05/08/2017 :  07:12:25 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's a cryin' shame that I can't seem to find a Smith or machinist here in the lower 48 willing to take-on my project....but I haven't yet. Guess I haven't looked hard enough....LOL.

I took bonnie's advice and contacted Marstar. I was told that an M1 bolt was not a problem, only an M2 bolt would be problematic. Now....unless something happened that I don't know about...there is no difference between an M1 and M2 bolt. I guess you have to include a letter in the package and swear that the bolt was for an M1?

Edited by - americanboy on 05/08/2017 08:44:14 AM
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Tuna
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Posted - 05/08/2017 :  9:23:14 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If your going to do this and I for one think it's at best a crap shoot for you then make sure when you ship it that the address has nothing to do with a gunsmith or gun dealer on it there. The same for the return to you. No address that screams gunsmith or dealer. There is no difference between a type 2 bolt or a type 3 bolt as far as it being a bolt. There is NO M2 bolt. The round type 3 was not designed for the M2 carbine. It was in use for about a year before the M2 came about. Now remember that you have to be able to afford the loss of the bolt and if it happens on the return then the cost of what had been done to it also. Then you may get a knock on your door from one of the alphabet agencies. The ones that have pretty shiny bracelets. Well you could get free room and board at one of the Federal camps for a few years too. Hey maybe it will work out for you OK. One can always hope right? Now as to not fining someone to work on your bolt. Is it that they consider it to be a dangerous conversion and so they don't want any part of it? So they lawyer up and say no? Things are not like they used to be all thanks to that wonderful group of non humans called lawyers. Oh and remember if something happens and say it blows up in your face when you pull the trigger you cannot take them to court as they are in a foreign country. And you did something that is not legal so no law suit. Oh well good luck with what you decide on.

Edited by - Tuna on 05/08/2017 9:29:57 PM
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americanboy
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Posted - 05/09/2017 :  05:54:33 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've been thru all the points you mention Tuna. I'm a mature individual that's been around a long time. I'm not a novice when it comes to firearms and know that if anything bad can happen...it will. The bolt changes I am making were exactly the mods made to the bolt commercially some years ago and is no serious change that affects the integrity or function. That particular modification is just no longer commercially available. A person should never risk more than he's willing to lose. I'll simply consider all this and make that decision.
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Tuna
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Posted - 05/09/2017 :  10:25:00 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hummmm, Maybe I should have put LOL at the end eh?????????
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americanboy
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Posted - 05/09/2017 :  1:54:10 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All is good here Tuna. That's what these forums are for....seeking input and sharing. I didn't intend to come across as being offended....and I'm not.
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americanboy
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Posted - 05/12/2017 :  07:10:32 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just to close this out. I have had import/export firms on both sides of the fence. One said yes the other said no to shipping a bolt. US regulations states that a bolt is exempt as long as it's not associated with a machine gun. There is one e-bay seller in Canada that ships internationally, including bolts and I don't think he's gone to jail....yet, go figure. Pay your quarter and take your chances I guess.
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americanboy
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Posted - 06/05/2017 :  5:16:22 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
25-days....it took 25-days to get the package to Canada from USA. It spent 8-days lost in Miami. Had to have my local postmistress intervene and track it down in Miami. Once she located it and got it out of Florida, it only spent 3-days in Canadian Customs. Now.....I hope I can get the part back when the Smith completes the work.
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Tuna
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Posted - 06/06/2017 :  10:40:27 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well here is hoping you do get it back but ALL carbine bolts are listed as forbidden on the list of parts returning to the US. Let us know if you do or don't get it. As I said I hope you do get I and it works for you.
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americanboy
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Posted - 06/06/2017 :  11:41:25 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am light-years away from being any sort of export/import expert. There may not be an actual expert, especially within the government. I think it may get down to interpretation of what the law says and how they define "complete breech mechanism". IMO...a stripped bolt is a breech-block, but not a complete breech mechanism.

Edited by - americanboy on 06/06/2017 12:18:52 PM
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Tuna
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Posted - 06/25/2017 :  10:43:16 AM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So did you get it back yet or is it lost again?
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americanboy
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Posted - 06/25/2017 :  11:45:05 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well Tuna....it left Canada headed back home just a couple of days ago. I'm tracking it and we'll just have to wait-n-see.

Edited by - americanboy on 06/25/2017 11:47:20 AM
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Tuna
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Posted - 06/27/2017 :  9:51:32 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hopefully you will get it before Christmas and it doesn't wind up in Florida again.
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americanboy
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Posted - 06/28/2017 :  06:06:09 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think avoiding Miami is the key. The package cleared customs thru San Fransisco yesterday. It's back in the lower 48.
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americanboy
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Posted - 07/01/2017 :  2:18:23 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Done and DONE! Received the bolt today (7-days back from Canada). I guess shipping it downhill was faster. It has been inspected, installed and test-fired...works wonderfully. As far as either of us can tell, the packages were never opened for inspection. I think a stripped bolt does not qualify as a "complete breech-block" and that's the opinion I was traveling under. In any event, the winner of any argument would be Customs on either end I suppose. I think they are looking for drugs and porn. I'm pretty sure if the package indicated nuclear waste, or had an exposed gun-barrel sticking out...they would take issue. Theft seems to be a problem in some of these Customs houses. Just make the package as inconspicuous looking as possible.
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Tuna
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Posted - 07/01/2017 :  8:17:18 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Glad you got it back and that you project is continuing onward. But I still think you were very lucky that it did not get confiscated.
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