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sport
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Posted - 07/29/2018 :  9:11:33 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a Iver Johson M1 carbine, 1980 or 79. just started shooting it, but my grand papa told me he shot a Kearon 10 times with one and he didn't drop. Can this weapon be used for self defense?

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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  07:35:50 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Honestly, I don't know what a Kearon is nor what it may take to drop one. The debate about whether-or-not the 7.62 x 33 is effective as a killing round goes on and on. There are specialized SD rounds available on the market, if one wants to enhance it's capability. Consider this, the 30-carbine ballistics compare favorably to a 357-magnum and exceed 357-magnum results at the muzzle. I don't think anyone wants to be shot with a 357-magnum. If causalities from WWII, The Korean Conflict and the Vietnam War could talk...they may attest to the fact that the 30-carbine is a good SD round if used as intended.

Edited by - americanboy on 07/30/2018 08:51:25 AM
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sport
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  12:42:16 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My bad on the spelling.
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americanboy
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  1:36:41 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What was the critter he was shooting?
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  2:41:58 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My father-in-law described how his carbine fell apart in his hands the first time he had to use it in combat in Korea the first week after the North Koreans invaded the south at Pusan. He had kept the barrel band screw loose so it was "easier" to field strip because "nobody had a screw driver". During the first burst he fired, the barrel band slipped forward, releasing the hand guard and separating the stock from the barrel and receiver. I asked him if he knew he could tighten the barrel band with a cartridge case. After 65 years he smiled and said, "I wondered why that screw had such a funny shape." His unit, the 27th Infantry Regiment (Wolfhounds) were among the first to have contact with the North Koreans. This story might reflect on the quality of training the first troops had before going into Korea. He was part of the Japanese occupation force just before the Korean War.

A single, well placed carbine round inside of 200 yards will stop a man as well as a .30-06. Just my opinion.

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americanboy
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  2:54:03 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by americanboy

What was the critter he was shooting?



Okay....I got it now, but only because Jack mentioned "Korea" in his post.
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BEYU
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  6:48:39 PM  Show Profile Send BEYU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I STILL have suspicions about the stories about M1 carbines or M2 Carbines failing to drop a North Korean soldier.

In the case of the M2 Carbines ó firing full auto in a panic while facing a "human wave" attack, I think muzzle rise accounts for much of the ineffectiveness of the carbine. They just plain missed!

We all know the carbine was never meant as a front line combat weapon in the first place.

But it was so popular and dependable in its earlier non-combat role, it was not long before the brass began to assign it to troops who would have done better with the power of the M1 Garand.

BEYU

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sport
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  7:53:01 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Actually Iíve owned this IJ for about 30 years. Took it with me to my Army stateside posts and enjoyed the hell out of it. Of course Iíve had to defend the carbine round to all the AR platform types. No shortage AR owners in the Army. Idiots telling me it was no better then a 9MM or even a 38 special. Ballistically I consider the M1 carbine superior to the 357, better bullet coefficient.

Now I know most of you will groan when I tell you this, but I put a choate folding stock on it. Iíve got to say the pistol grip really speeds up the pointing. Folding the stock improves the home defense aspect a great deal as well (over penetration is still an issue but oh well).

Iím now looking to scope it. My eyes arenít what they used to be. Any suggestions for a mount and scope?
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Jackp
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  8:28:58 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've had success with a long relief scope on an UltiMak rail on my USGI carbines. Moving the scope forward eliminates the problem of ejected rounds either hitting the scope or having to be deflected. Unfortunately I don't think it will fit an IJ.

Also, I have a Universal that I was toying with the idea of welding nut plates to the top rear portion of the barrel so that I could attach a picatinny rail. It's flat like the early IJ so maybe you could do the same thing. Again you could use a long relief scope or a red dot.



Or you could mount a Leapers UTG carbine scope mount to the rear dovetail. Here's a link.

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JackP

Edited by - Jackp on 07/30/2018 9:13:03 PM
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sport
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  9:25:21 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My IJ is mil spec. Plansfield tooling. Took a lot of research figure that out. A lot of confusion between IJ and universals, and I guess the manufacturing year matters. anyhow, how much eye relief do you thinik is needed with the Ultimak rail?
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Jackp
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  10:06:50 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I use a Leapers Accushot which has 11 inches of relief.

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Jackp
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  10:27:52 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sport, double check the clearance between the barrel and the UltiMak rail before you spend $100. The IJ barrel is taller in the area between the receiver and gas cylinder. I don't think the UltiMak rail will fit without serious modification. GI barrels are smaller in this area. There's not much room under the IJ hand guard. Maybe that's why they use a sheet metal hand guard.

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sport
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  10:35:40 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks, will do.
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Posted - 07/30/2018 :  10:36:12 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thanks, will do.
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sport
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Posted - 08/03/2018 :  7:10:24 PM  Show Profile Send sport a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jackp, you are right. The IJ barrel is thicker at the receiver. I might have to try the scope mount that replaces the rear sight. Iím just not sure how well that mount holds.

Iíll also need to find a cheap scope with enough eye relief.
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shadycon
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Posted - 08/04/2018 :  07:57:29 AM  Show Profile Send shadycon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I tried on of the dove tail mounts and couldn't keep the scope adjusted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Modified it and put on backwards and no better except no dented shells.............

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