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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 12/31/2017 :  10:11:49 AM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is my first post and I've been searching for any info on using the PP 300MP for loading the 30 carbine as I understand that H110 and the 300MP are very close (some claim the same) but the 300MP is slightly slower.
I have a good bit of 300MP on hand but no H110 and of course would like to use what I have VS buying more of almost the same powder.
The Alliant site offers no data for 30 carbine using 300MP so that is of no use. Are any of you here using 300MP and if so how well is this powder working out for you?

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HB of CJ
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Posted - 12/31/2017 :  2:19:55 PM  Show Profile Send HB of CJ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome to this Excellent Forum ...

No data? That alone would be a reason FOR ME to pass on PP 300MP for the .30 Carbine used in the USGI M1 Carbine. Unknown territory. We used H110 but that was years and years ago. The M1 Carbine does have some quirks. Full power loads is one of them. Very slight case taper is another. Exact known brass length still another. How that would safely be worked up with the PP 300MP powder is not known.

Respectfully. Welcome aboard.

Edited by - HB of CJ on 12/31/2017 2:21:20 PM
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americanboy
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Posted - 12/31/2017 :  2:36:13 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've not, but I'll give you the benefit of a discussion. I think most carbine shooters stick to published carbine loads and most see no need to drift off to another powder. Hurting a collector piece may have something to do with it. I feel your pain. I was gifted several pounds of Red Dot some years ago and have been trying to find ways to shoot it up ever since. I have a chronograph and having one seems invaluable when developing loads.

H110 and 300MP load very similarly in any given .357-magnum load developing similar pressures and MV's. One would tend to believe that the powders would behave the same. If I we're doing this, I'd start down around 12.5 to 13-grains of 300 and work-up using a chrono to approach something close to 1900-2000 MV. The USGI carbine can stand pressures upwards of 40,000 psi and I've read about wildcats clambering rounds loaded closer to 50,000 psi. Commercial carbines....who knows.

May not hurt to contact Alliant and see what they might have to say. The last thing I say is....it's your gun...LOL.
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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 12/31/2017 :  4:48:30 PM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you both for the replies. I've been loading for a few years now, strictly pistol catrtridges with some reduced magnum loads but have reservations in "working up" loads especially in an unfamiliar cartridge. The 300MP is a somewhat recent powder and why no data for the 30 carbine was done by Alliant is beyond me when one considers how close it is in performance to H110.
I have 4lbs on hand of the 300MP for full power magnum loads and just having aquired a new to me 30 carbine I thought it looked very promising to use what I have vs buying more powder, after factoring the cost of other needed equipment in addition to more powder it just doesnt make sense from a cost savings standpoint so I was really hoping to use what I have on hand.
For what it's worth the carbine in question is a Plainfield dated somewhere in the mid to late seventies production judging by the serial number. So far it shoots accurately and reliably with Sellier and Bellot factory soft point ammo (100 rnds so far). I've been searching for other info on load data but the only thing I've been able to turn up so far is second hand info (my buddies uncle say its a great powder) and no concrete or first hand experience guess I'm just looking for some reassurance before venturing out on my own.

Going to have to check out now as were going to a party but I'll check back next year to see whats up.

Happy New Year to all, Chris
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Tuna
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Posted - 12/31/2017 :  7:41:43 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
AB,
If you load anything that you would use Bullseye in then you can use Red Dot in it too. It's almost the same as Bullseye but just a little bit different.
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americanboy
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Posted - 01/01/2018 :  07:03:03 AM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tuna

AB,
If you load anything that you would use Bullseye in then you can use Red Dot in it too. It's almost the same as Bullseye but just a little bit different.



Agreed. I use a lot of it with 45acp, 38/357 and 9mm. The stuff I have is rather old and I know people say powder dosen't get old. Maybe it loses potency over the years and manufacturer recipes may change as well. I find my chronograph indicates this particular RD powder I have needs to be loaded a little stronger than manual recommendations to achieve published MV for any given charge.

OP....powder manufacturers can be helpful and there may be a reason no loads are published for the 30-carbine and it won't hurt to give Alliant a call. Years ago, my neighbor ran across a powder he'd never heard of but it was cheap. It was a Hodgdon powder labeled H108. He contacted Hodgdon and come to discover this was a surplus powder developed specifically for the military and the 30-carbine in particular. Hodgdon relabeled it H108 and put it on the market. They provided load and ballistic data to him in the form of a letter for the 30-carbine as well as 32-40, 357 and 44 magnum loads.

There is likely no reason at all why the 300MP can't be used, since it is a preferred magnum pistol powder. You just don't know exactly where to start....yet.
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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 01/01/2018 :  07:55:52 AM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree as well as I have several other powders that will all perform pretty close to one another and I have a good feeling the 300MP will work quite well in the carbine, just looking for some affirmation is all. At this point I'll just heed americanboy's advice and give alliant a call, see what they say.
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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 01/01/2018 :  08:12:46 AM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just found a post on CMP forums and the poster stated he had contacted Alliant about the 30 carbine and 300MP, Alliants reply was they are currently working on load data but not published just yet. The post was from 6/15/14 so I'm sure they should have some info ready by now.
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jimb16
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Posted - 01/01/2018 :  11:09:54 AM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
" I was gifted several pounds of Red Dot some years ago and have been trying to find ways to shoot it up ever since. I have a chronograph and having one seems invaluable when developing loads."

It is a great powder for use in larger capacity rifle rounds using cast bullets and for loading 12 ga. shot shells. Lots of data available.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 01/01/2018 :  6:46:09 PM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have a chrono and a home range to shoot if and whenever I desire. I hear ya on trying to use up too much powder and that is one thing I'm trying to avoid by using the 300MP I already have.
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daboone
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Posted - 01/02/2018 :  07:00:39 AM  Show Profile Send daboone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jimb16

" I was gifted several pounds of Red Dot some years ago and have been trying to find ways to shoot it up ever since. I have a chronograph and having one seems invaluable when developing loads."

It is a great powder for use in larger capacity rifle rounds using cast bullets and for loading 12 ga. shot shells. Lots of data available.


Ed Harris did a now famous article called "The Load" using Red Dot and later undated it with 2400. It was about rifle loading up to 8mm and cast lead bullets. I've use a lot of Red Dot and 2400 because of his vision.

I'm surprise no one has mentioned 2400 for the M1 Carbine. It is now my go to powder for both my Rockola and the Inland mainly because I have what left of 16 lbs I got in a trade. It has functioned as accurately and as well as H110/296 and IMR4227 for me.

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jimb16
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Posted - 01/03/2018 :  10:07:56 AM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, 2400 is a fine powder for the carbine. When 4227 isn't available, 2400 is my fall back powder.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 01/03/2018 :  3:17:39 PM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dont know the turnaround time on e-mails from Alliant but we are near the end of day 2 with no response to my inquiry.
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wheelgunfan
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Posted - 01/04/2018 :  2:52:24 PM  Show Profile Send wheelgunfan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For any that have shown interest here is the response from Alliant in regard to my inquiry for load data using Power Pro 300MP in the 30 carbine, "Everywhere I look, I don't see any tested data that would meet your request.
I will submit your request to the engineering lab for possible future
development. But, there is no timetable as to when this may be looked at for
development. "
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