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jski
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Posted - 12/12/2017 :  11:26:37 AM  Show Profile Send jski a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's Inland's new offering to the police forces:



Specifications:
Barrel: 7 1/2" threaded muzzle (" x 28 tpi) with protector
Chassis: Inland/Sage MIL-SPEC black anodized aluminum chassis.
Caliber: .30 Carbine
Sight: M1 Carbine style, with adjustable ghost ring aperture rear sight.
Overall length: 16"
Weight: 4 1/2 lbs.
Capacity: One 10-round magazine with each pistol.
MSRP: $1,399

Edited by - jski on 12/12/2017 11:27:49 AM

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BEYU
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Posted - 12/12/2017 :  2:09:16 PM  Show Profile Send BEYU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We can only hope their quality control has improved enough to make these reliable...

I do wonder why police departments would want these.

BEYU

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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jski
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Posted - 12/12/2017 :  2:18:52 PM  Show Profile Send jski a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I believe the .30 Carbine round makes an excellent police round. It won't travel like a .223 (a.k.a., 5.56 mm) but has the stopping power of an .223 within 100 yards. Plus the Carbine gives you the capacity of an AR.

Of course this requires that some one offer a .30 Carbine round designed for the 7 1/2" barrel with the appropriate bullet designed for police work.

Interestingly. the 7 1/2" barrel length is the same barrel length of the .30 Carbine Blackhawk.

Edited by - jski on 12/12/2017 2:39:35 PM
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americanboy
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Posted - 12/12/2017 :  4:37:31 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd be the last to poo-poo any new offering chambered in 7.62 x 33. I think it's good for the popularity of the cartridge. I also think this is a hard sell to LEA's. Shortening the barrel surely affects the ballistics of the round. I'm pretty sure a 9MM +P+ or NATO round would be comparatively effective fired from a handgun. AR's have fully proliferated down thru the agencies and I don't see them dumping the AR and it's commonality for this new offering. Sorry...but I think it's a fairly stupid idea concocted by Inland to sell more carbine parts. It's a gimmick and if you want one...maybe you better grab it while you can.
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jski
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Posted - 12/12/2017 :  7:44:04 PM  Show Profile Send jski a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you read the latest issue of Firearms News, they review this gun quite favorably. The author brings up the Universal "Enforcer". Evidently, this was quite popular with the police. It had an 11 1/2" barrel.
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rg1911
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Posted - 12/13/2017 :  11:22:26 PM  Show Profile Send rg1911 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Something like the Mauser C96 and other pistols, .223 and otherwise, with all the weight forward of the grip, I can't help but think this would be a fairly unwieldy pistol to aim and fire. According to the review, it appears that both the IMP and 30-P versions have arm braces available. With the slightly relaxed rules concerning braces, this would be an option that would enhance accuracy.

Concerning the review, and others of the Inland offerings, no mention is ever made of quality control issues or that this Inland company has no relationship (at least to my knowledge) with General Motors. In other words, to my mind anyway, it's not an Inland.

But if magazines and reviewers told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, they wouldn't get new toys with which to play to be able to fill up multiple pages and generate ad revenue.

Yes, I'm cynical.

Cheers,
Richard
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Tuna
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Posted - 12/14/2017 :  12:16:40 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The "Enforcer" was never popular with police. It was not a very good idea to start with. Anyone who has fired a handgun chambered in .30 carbines knows how bad it barks and lights up the area even in bright sunlight. This company has a history of trying to divert attention from itself with new products. The carbines have not yet proven themselves and are an area problems for them. Last I heard their 1911A1 was selling not too well. Their version of the M1A1 is like the rest so over priced and again it's a carbine. This is different but again in the long run it most likely will not sell very well.
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jski
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Posted - 12/14/2017 :  1:52:35 PM  Show Profile Send jski a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Guys, I just ain't feeling the love for Inland here.

You'd think those Dayton boys would get their QC act together lest they go by way of the dodo.

Edited by - jski on 12/14/2017 1:53:10 PM
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americanboy
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Posted - 12/14/2017 :  6:33:18 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think most of us would like to see the "new" Inland succeed, but this offering seems to be a non-starter for several reasons.
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jimb16
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Posted - 12/14/2017 :  9:25:32 PM  Show Profile Send jimb16 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Muzzle blast on that thing must be ferocious.

OGCA Lifer,NRA Life member, son of a 325th GIR Glider Rider
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jski
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Posted - 12/14/2017 :  11:21:14 PM  Show Profile Send jski a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Guys, I have a .30 Carbine Blackhawk and reload for it. It has a 7 1/2" barrel as well. I use ~15 gr. of H110 and 115 gr. GC hard cast bullets.

The result: it has NO louder blast or greater muzzle flash than my .357 Mag. There is NOTHING inherent in the .30 Carbine cartridge that makes it louder and more "flashy". It is in reality a .30 Mag with superior ballistics to the .327 FedMag.

Edited by - jski on 12/14/2017 11:28:27 PM
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lemaymiami
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Posted - 12/22/2017 :  05:44:56 AM  Show Profile Send lemaymiami a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As a retired cop (long retired - left police work in 1995..) this looks like a commercial outfit trying to sell a product - that they know won't be picked up by any PD... There's just too many really good quality options available now for any quartermaster to choose from for something like this to be the equipment that any copshop would want.... So they advertise it as meant for police departments -hoping that John Q will think it a desirable item... Pretty cheesy from my point of view...

To give you some points for comparison - the outfit I was with for 22 years (a 100 man department located just north of Miami...) was fully equipped with Sig Sauer sidearms and MP5's for our SRT... and that was years ago. When I left we were beginning to phase out shotguns (unfortunately, since I prefer them for close quarters work...) and going to "patrol rifles"....

Yes, that old war baby would have made a fine patrol rifle - but there are simply too many modern designs that are proven and ready to go for any agency to acquire (much as I like the older design...).
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jski
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Posted - 12/22/2017 :  1:11:47 PM  Show Profile Send jski a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think we need to separate this into 2 distinct questions: Is the .30 Carbine cartridge still relevant today? vs Is the M1 Carbine rifle as a platform still relevant today?
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americanboy
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Posted - 12/22/2017 :  2:58:05 PM  Show Profile Send americanboy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The M1 carbine as a useful weapon is still relevant, but most of the market now is nostalgia driven...IMHO. It's a very handy little 5.5 pound rifle ideal for home defense and is void of sharp angles and added appendages hanging off the gun that generally get in the way. In that respect, it's still relevant.

As for the 7.62 x 33 cartridge, I'd be betting that if the round was a "new" offering it would go nowhere fast. I imagine the little gun would be just as popular as it is today with about any round it was chambered in. At the cost of ammo and the cost of reloading 7.62 x 33, it's a relatively expensive gun to shoot. I don't think anybody cherishes the gun for the cartridge it's chambered in.....just the gun itself. I don't think people own this gun because it's chambered for the 7.62 x 33.

9MM would be (and is) a much better cambering for the gun in the current intended environment. With modern 9MM offerings, one can do about as much with the 9MM as the 30-carbine out to 100-yards. I have one chambered in 9MM and I reload and shoot for about a nickel-a-round and commercial ammo can be had for under $8/box.

So....No, I do not think the weapon or the cartridge if offered today would ever make it in the market and certainly not a new weapon designed specifically for the 7.62 x 33.

Edited by - americanboy on 12/22/2017 2:59:06 PM
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