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 AR v .30 Carbine? A different sort of question
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dogsoldier0513
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Posted - 08/26/2012 :  10:14:21 PM  Show Profile Send dogsoldier0513 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Given equal quality weapons, ammunition and magazines, is there an 'appreciable' difference in reliability between the two weapons?

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Tuna
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Posted - 08/27/2012 :  3:04:15 PM  Show Profile Send Tuna a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As long as they both are kept clean and properly lubed I would think they are about the same. The AR would have the edge in accuracy though.
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rg1911
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Posted - 08/27/2012 :  6:16:57 PM  Show Profile Send rg1911 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll agree with the accuracy assessment so long as you use good ammo. I recently tested some green tip stuff and some inexpensive commercial ammo and found the results at 425 yards to be pathetic, on the order of 4 MOA. (I had just finished shooting five 1/2 MOA groups using handloads.)

Otherwise, based on my experience, I'll agree with Tuna.

Richard
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swampmolly
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Posted - 08/27/2012 :  6:55:53 PM  Show Profile Send swampmolly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Richard, what rifle and rest were you using? (nice)
So at 425 yards with reloads = a 4.25 inch group and using commercial ammo = a 17 inch group. Is that correct?
SM

Edited by - swampmolly on 08/27/2012 7:20:11 PM
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rg1911
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USA
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Posted - 08/31/2012 :  5:17:31 PM  Show Profile Send rg1911 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by swampmolly

Richard, what rifle and rest were you using? (nice)
So at 425 yards with reloads = a 4.25 inch group and using commercial ammo = a 17 inch group. Is that correct?
SM


SM,

Actually, the groups were a hair over 2 inches. Rifle is an AR15 with a custom Mark Chanlynn cut-rifled barrel and using Sierra 77-grain match bullets with Reloader 15 powder.

The green tip military, and the cheap 55-grain commercial were running 12 or more inches for 5 shots. I view that as pretty pathetic.

Cheers,
Richard
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swampmolly
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Posted - 08/31/2012 :  8:38:20 PM  Show Profile Send swampmolly a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sweet!
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WWIIbuff
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USA
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Posted - 09/17/2012 :  10:49:12 AM  Show Profile Send WWIIbuff a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rg1911

I'll agree with the accuracy assessment so long as you use good ammo. I recently tested some green tip stuff and some inexpensive commercial ammo and found the results at 425 yards to be pathetic, on the order of 4 MOA. (I had just finished shooting five 1/2 MOA groups using handloads.)

Otherwise, based on my experience, I'll agree with Tuna.

Richard




My BEST AR load used Rem/UMC match-prepped brass (deburred flash holes and uniformed primer pockets, trimmed cases to length, etc), CCI benchrest primers, WIN748 and a Hornady 62gr Match HP. From sandbags and a Harris bipod, my Colt A2 Gov't Model grouped consistently in the sub 1/4-1/2-inch range at 100 yards.
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weimar_police
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USA
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Posted - 09/17/2012 :  8:22:33 PM  Show Profile Send weimar_police a Private Message  Reply with Quote
They are night and day, although I like the M1 carbine better, but that is probably because of the history involved with it :)

Ed
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BucketBack
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USA
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Posted - 03/14/2016 :  5:21:09 PM  Show Profile Send BucketBack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For 50 yards and closer,I like the M1
For 100 yards plus the M4 rules, but I don't have one

I like the M16A1 clones myself, or the M16A2 ones

Then the 16" mid gas ones are nice smooth accurate shooters with a Cold Hammer Forged barrel
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Jackp
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USA
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Posted - 03/14/2016 :  5:40:59 PM  Show Profile Send Jackp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The M1 carbine is my favorite for a lot of reasons, reliability, simplicity, historical, economical, etc. If I need accuracy, stopping power, intimidation factor and flexibility, I go to my sub MOA .300 AAC Blackout AR-15. It's fun too but a tad bit expensive to shoot.


JackP
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Captain O
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USA
346 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2016 :  02:39:06 AM  Show Profile Send Captain O a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The M4 is great, but I don't have much use for it. I use the .308 for long-distance work. It is a bolt-action rifle when I need the power.

I also have a MAK-91 in 7.62 x 39 for "intermediate" work (100 -150 yards).

I'll be buying the M1 for my "short game".

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Kilibreaux
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USA
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Posted - 06/30/2016 :  06:42:13 AM  Show Profile Send Kilibreaux a Private Message  Reply with Quote
This is a hard choice. The .30 Carbine round in soft-point configuration does a lot of damage. The .30 Carbine can easily be used to make hits out too, and beyond 200 meters by anyone who knows how to shoot.
On the other hand, the tiny 5.56x45 is small, light, and screams at over 3,000 fps from a 16" barrel which equates to severe terminal effects inside 100 meters with a non-expanding, FMJ bullet!
The Carbine is "sleeker" and easier to carry. The AR is ultimately superior due to range factors...or so it seems, though any number of excellent riflemen can easily prove the Carbine superior!
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